2015 Jeep Renegade Review

Hands-On With Jeep’s New Mighty Mite

2015 Jeep Renegade Review

From the moment we first set eyes on the new baby Jeep, we wanted to know if it would really go off road.

One of Jeep’s brand objectives is that all of its products must be capable off-roaders (or at least have a variant that is up to the task). That’s not difficult for a larger vehicle, but for a subcompact SUV like the Renegade? This we needed to experience first-hand. For the press preview, Jeep had us drive the Renegade to an off-road course in Hollister, Calif. so we could do just that.

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Trailhead Bound

Knowing we’d be attacking the rough stuff in a Renegade Trailhawk – that’s the model you’ll want if you plan on tackling serious terrain – we hopped into a mid-range Renegade Latitude for the hundred-something mile drive to Hollister. Our Renegade had a six-speed manual transmission, which meant there was a 160 horsepower 1.4 liter turbocharged four under the hood; automatic Renegades get a naturally-aspirated 180 hp 2.4 liter with a nine-speed transmission. Both powertrains can be had with front- or four-wheel-drive, though Trailhawks are limited to the 2.4/auto combination.

The idea of having two completely different engines for manual and auto versions seemed strange at first, but after a few miles our idle speculation was forgotten. The 1.4 turbo is great with a stick; it feels torquey and strong as it accelerates through the gears. It’s only if you demand hard acceleration at low revs (i.e. sixth gear at highway speeds) that the engine’s small displacement becomes apparent. Downshifting to fifth won’t work; one must drop to fourth or even third gear to get the rhythm back. We can live with that.

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It was when the roads turned curvy that the little Jeep really began to impress us. The Renegade bites into corners eagerly and while the steering may be a little numb, the suspension is anything but. Body roll is nearly nil and the grip is surprisingly strong. We kept pushing and the Jeep stubbornly refused to give up its hold on the pavement, even at speeds that would have the theoretical kiddies in back yakking their Chicken McNuggets. (Disclaimer: No actual children were nauseated in the making of this review).

Thumbs Up for Interior Quality

We’ve been impressed by the interior quality of Chrysler’s latest vehicles and the Renegade is no exception. All the switches and dials felt good under our fingers, and the option list includes Chrysler’s UConnect touch-screen stereo, which is one of our favorites for its clear graphics and easy-to-navigate menu system. Jeep’s designers festooned the Renegade’s interior with “Easter eggs” including the silhouette of an old CJ in the corner of the windshield, maps in the bottom of the storage bins and the Jeep “face” logo in the center of the headlights. Finding them will no doubt give Renegade owners something to do while stuck in traffic.

2015-Jeep-Renegade-19.jpgThe Renegade’s driving position did take some getting used to. The seats have a lot of thigh bolstering, which could be an issue for shorter drivers. Our 5′ 6″ test driver found it unsettling each time he hopped in, but rather comfortable after a few miles. The Renegade’s upright windshield is set far away from where you sit, with a deep dashboard and unusually thick windshield pillars that frame the outward view in the same way a Mini Cooper does. Between that and the broad, squared-off hood, the Renegade feels much bigger than it actually is.

The same can be said for the back seat, which is set low and slightly back from the doors. It provides much better head- and leg-room than we expected given how small the Renegade is. The cargo area offers up 18.5 cubic feet of squared-off space with the rear seats in place and 50.8 with the back seats folded.

Strange Roof Configuration

One design feature that baffled us was the “My Sky” sunroof, which comes in two versions. The first is a power tilt-and-slide pattern, which makes perfect sense. The second has two removable fiberglass panels, one over the front seats and one over the back. The cumbersome panels must be removed manually and there’s no glass, so if it starts to rain, you’ve got to find shelter and rebuild the car. Jeep insists its owners are willing to go to the trouble; certainly, anyone who has ever wrestled a Wrangler soft top into submission will find removing two panels and then unpacking the trunk in order to store them under the floor a cinch, but it still seemed like an awful lot of trouble.

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Getting Dirty

Having thoroughly critiqued the Renegade’s interiors — and having greatly enjoyed it’s on-road performance — we found ourselves at Hollister Hills where Jeep laid out a couple of off-road courses. Here we took the keys to a Trailhawk model, which has 8.7 inches of ground clearance (0.8 more than other Renegade 4x4s), 8.1 inches of rear-axle articulation, Goodyear Wrangler SRA tires on 17-inch alloy wheels, underbody skid plates, and bright-red tow hooks. Trailhawks come exclusively with the 2.4 liter/automatic/all-wheel-drive combo, and while this setup doesn’t have a low range per se, it can emulate one by locking the nine-speed automatic in first; combined with its numerically higher final-drive ratio, this gives the Renegade a 20:1 crawling-gear ratio.

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We were mindful of the fact that the off-road course on which we drove was constructed specifically with consideration to the Renegade’s measurements, but this wasn’t just a dirt road with a few rocks scattered about. We drove over moguls, traversed steep inclines on loose dirt, and forded through water that came pretty far up the Renegade’s grille — pretty hard-core stuff, especially for a compact SUV.

Old-school off-roaders work by locking the differentials so as to distribute power to all four wheels and allowing as much axle travel as possible. That’s difficult to do with the a fully-independent strut suspension and a compact all-wheel-drive system, so the Renegade relies on electronics to distribute power and braking as needed. Tricky ascents are best accomplished by starting out with a little momentum and waiting until the Renegade starts to struggle; then it’s just a matter of feeding it more throttle and letting the computers do their thing. They’ll apply power to the wheels that have traction and brake the ones that don’t, and up she goes.

Trailhawk Can Hack it on Pavement, Too

Having been as impressed as Jeep intended us to be, we grabbed one of the Trailhawks for the ride back to the hotel. This is the heaviest of the Renegades; its 3,573 lb curb weight is over 500 lbs more than the front-drive 1.4 liter Latitude we drove out to Hollister, but acceleration feels comparable. Jeep did not have EPA fuel economy estimates at the time of our test drive, but they said that all versions would get at least 30 MPG on the highway. We saw low- to mid-20s with both engines. The unique suspension setup and tires gave the Trailhawk a bouncier, more truck-like feel, but it clings in the corners nearly as well as other Renegades.

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Jeep is building the Renegade in four versions: Entry-level Sport, volume-selling Latitude, luxury-oriented Limited and off-road-ready Trailhawk. Pricing starts at $18,990 ($17,995 plus a $995 destination charge), while a four-wheel-drive Renegade Trailhawk will set you back $26,990 before options, of course.

In terms of the competition, right now there isn’t much, as the subcompact SUV segment is just warming up. The Nissan Juke, Mini Countryman, and Buick Encore are the established entrants; the Chevrolet Trax joins the fray this year; and the Honda HR-V and Mazda CX-3 are on the way. None can offer the Renegade’s mix of on- and off-road ability, passenger comfort, and style, though the Mini Countryman comes the closest. And if you can do without all-wheel-drive, we’d suggest a look at the Kia Soul, which matches the Renegade on comfort, utility, and interior quality, and is pleasant, if not quite so engaging, to drive.

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The Verdict:

We think Jeep has a winner on its hands. The Renegade delivers Jeep style and ability in a functional and smartly-sized package, and its high fun-to-drive factor is an added bonus. Build quality remains an unknown, but the Renegade could become the segment’s benchmark if the quality is there.

  • Sarah H

    It’s so cute!

  • Felix James

    Jeep has lost its way.

  • Bug S Bunny

    “The Nissan Juke, Mini Countryman, and Buick Enclave are the established entrants…” It’s actually the Buick Encore.

  • Bug S Bunny

    But that happened before the Italians took over. The end was signaled when the two extra doors appeared and the inline engines disappeared on the Wrangler. And to think, you can actually buy a 2WD Jeep. Absolutely absurd.

  • Red Tag 501

    It’s cute but it won’t get me out of my Wrangler.

  • EMF

    If you look at the original Jeep lineup in 1948, the CJ2A, Jeepster Convertible, Jeep Truck, and Jeep Wagon, as made by Willys, all but one had the option of 2WD. Most were smaller than the Renegade as well.

    It is comical to hear that “Jeep has lost its way” – Jeep has always catered to those who wanted an SUV that was a step up in ruggedness (or in 1948, the only SUV), but didn’t want to pay extra for the (often unnecessary) 4WD.

  • Tony b

    This page. ..like many others..will post a picture of JEEP’S latest abortion and ask the same question to us the Jeeping community. And the answers are unanimously the same. I dont know if this will be read by the new makers of the new jeep models…but if so i would say this:
    With each model year your products seem to drift further away from us, driving our loyalties to past Jeep products that were more than a washed up shell of the name. Today they tend to lean more towards folks who barely understand the concept of 4wd not to mention when or how it’s used. Things like dana44s…solid axles ..lockers. .steel fenders. ..torque…tire clearance. ..the things that made the Jeep desirable for keepable buildable capable offroading machines have become foreign ancient artifacts for these up and coming designers who think nav systems and bluetooth and USB are suitable substitutes. Do you understand that more jeep owners would rather spend billions of dollars on mods for their old jeep than buy a new one? That’s billions of dollars you guys won’t make because you are not listening to the mods. We like the 4 door JK… give it a factory v8 option and a diesel option. Give all of them dana 44s with a factory locker…Give it steel tube fenders that you can remove…and front bumper with a winch plate…mods like this to the jeeper run upwards of $10k +…and they spend it!! Without blinking!! Now..wouldn’t you guys rather get that 10k?…per vehicle? ?..you could team up with the slew of vendors who already carry this stuff…saving development time…this is a simple request. .build it the way we would…you won’t be able to keep up with demand….or continue to lose loyal customers. ..I personally own a 97 TJ and a 91 yj…and because I was so unimpressed with your latest wrangler. .i spent 80k+ modding both vehicles. ..that’s 80k of my money not going to you.

  • Jonny_Vancouver

    A good effort on Jeep’s behalf on trying to get in on this lucrative new segment, but as the writer stated: “Honda HR-V and Mazda CX-3 are on the way.” I’d trust those a lot more during their first years.

  • Auto Motive

    Starting price is similar to GM on their LT models in not offering automatic or cruise control and the list goes on heated mirrors etc. Base model is bottom rack. The Soul on the other hand fits the bill with above options and much more at $20k out the door. Building a Renegade with similar options hits $25k or more.

  • Lost what way? Another purist who doesn’t understand the general public is not interested in what you think when it comes to the car they told Jeep they would buy. They wanted a Jeep-like small SUV not an actual Jeep. While the JK is the best Wranger thus far, it still has many of the flaws of earlier Jeeps that make them ideal for early adulthood only. Adding four doors to the equation saved the Wranger from the scrap yard as only purist sales are not enough to drive the need to keep building this thing with more difficult to pass CAFE, DOT and EPA regulations.

    You go ahead and keep thinking that me, your neighbor and your co-worker all want “real” Jeeps to sooth your ego.

  • Agreed, this so-called purist keep us mired in the muck as they only make up about 4% of the auto market. They are also mad their other options to get a more purist driving experience are becoming increasingly expensive. This is a compromise and like the Colorado/Canyon, it’s not for people who can’t push their ego out of the way long enough to see the value and only interested in continuing to drive their oversized full size pickups. Go park a new 1500 next to a early 70’s C1500 and you’ll see what I am talking about.

  • From a person who wouldn’t buy this anyway, why would they listen to you? I am potential customer because I like the Renegade (and the Canyon/Colorado twins) and very much anti-Truck/SUV, feels there too many on the road already and most people buy them to replace something else they lost that isn’t automobile or transportation related….

  • This is the squeaky wheel dept that isn’t very loud since as you correctly say, “traditional’ Jeep sales is what is keeping Chrysler-Fiat afloat.

  • ramus

    “Trailhawks come exclusively with the 2.4 liter/automatic/all-wheel-drive combo…”

  • papagrune123

    My Jeep Liberty was a piece of junk… It is long since gone. My Cherokee is a different matter. I still have it from 2001. My wife’s Dodge Journey has been a great car (SUV) so far… Jeep can still crank out a dog.. It looks like a early VW Tiguan. If it fit bill I would sell all my late model stuff. It needs real 4×4 as a option. I do not have to have locking hub’s at least. It doesn’t have to be Warn locking hubs that I have had before but electric-electronic ones would be fine. I am 5’6′ and if it sucks for one reviewer then ??? I have had Jeep Jeeps(Wranglers to you young folks.) Last one was a nice CJ-7 with a 304 V8. I always wanted a CJ-8 but too much $$$ for me.

  • Aussie Mike

    Hopefully, we get a diesel version here in Australia to go with my diesel Wrangler and Diesel Commander.

  • Auto Motive

    I have a 06 Jeep Commander and only use it during the winter months and its been a awesome SUV. It seats 7 with the rear seats that all fold down. I added custom wheels, SS grille and bug deflector and SS nerf bars with dark tinted windows all around. I just turned 22k miles and never a problem except for the 3 recalls that were minor. New Michelin tires were just replaced and the old tires sold to a neighbor. Nothing is like a true JEEP and glad they discontinued the Commander since I always have people asking if they still make such a nice looking SUV.

  • Tree Top flyer

    This Jeep iteration,may be an acceptable car, but it sure has departed (in the way of looks) to any semblance of a Jeep. What bothers me more than anything, is now that Chrysler has sold its Jeep Division to Fiat, things are about to change. These “ass clowns” plan to change the Wrangler from a traditional full frame vehicle to “Unibody” construction in 2016 or 17, and they plan to power it with an anemic engine.. They have already destroyed the great good looks of the Grand Cherokee, with that stupid front grill change. Now they want to screw up the Wrangler!! This after Jeep just posted the best sales year in their history. I hate Chrysler for making such a stupid business descision, by selling off their most proifitable division to an auto manufacturer that makes those stupid little Spam Can Obama cars that Jennifer Lopez can barely get her fat keester into!!

  • fantic

    Chrysler has not sold it’s Jeep division to Fiat, Chrysler is entirely owned by Fiat.

  • Steve Willock

    I was considering going back to Jeep for my UK car. I still have a 3.7 Liberty Sport imported from the US and used in Mallorca, Spain. But I have to be honest and say this car looks a mess. Unless i consider opening up a hair and beauty salon sometime soon, I can’t imagine one of these ever landing on my drive.

    I guess that sector of the market is who the designers at Fiat / Chrysler have been listening too in their cosy focus groups.

  • Allaire de Coudres

    Wow, not sure why but at first glance that picture of the coffee colored Renegade reminds me of my first vehicle, a ’68 International Scout 800A.

  • Traditional Jeep Fan

    This is just an insult to any of us genuine Renegade owners… =(

  • VulpineMac

    The Renegade is no less Jeep in appearance than any of their other current models and certainly more Jeep-looking than some. I have no issues with the appearance of this rig and I’ve been driving a JK Wrangler for now 8 years.

    The Wrangler itself does need a change. The current version is extremely heavy compared to its predecessors, though despite that is a more capable off-roader than any previous version at factory stock. When I bought my JK I was told by many Jeepers that I would need a minimum 2″ lift to take on some of the trails at an off-road park nearby and yet I took them factory stock despite my longer wheelbase (I have the 4-door Unlimited) and heavier weight without issue. In fact, when you consider trails are rated 1 through 9 in increasing difficulty, they expected it to be barely capable of a #3 trail and were surprised when it negotiated a #5 trail without assistance. That first time, I chickened out on trying a #6. I think a lighter, independently suspended version could still be an effective off-roader and similar rigs like the Land Rover demonstrate that ability.

    That said, the Cherokee seems to fly in the face of your argument, TTF. Despite its very polarizing appearance it has become an incredible success, growing Jeeps overall market without significantly affecting sales of any other model. Because of its smaller size, this new Renegade could again blow open the market by making a truly capable, low-cost, compact off-roader. This new Renegade is just about the same size as the old CJs and can easily handle most, if not all of what those old CJs could do without mods. Fiat seems to have a far more realistic view of what the Jeep can be than any manufacturer since Willys-Kaiser.

  • VulpineMac

    But will the Soul do at $20K what the Renegade can at $25K? Since we know next to nothing about the off-road version of the Soul, for now I have to say that’s unlikely.

  • VulpineMac

    It will get me out of mine–unless a 4×4 Ram 700 arrives before I trade in my JKU.

  • VulpineMac

    The same thing was said about the JK and JKU when they came out. Now they’re almost dominating the rock-crawling scene.

  • VulpineMac

    “But that happened before the Italians took over. The end was signaled when the two extra doors appeared and the inline engines disappeared on the Wrangler. ”

    It was the Germans who did that, not the Italians.

    “And to think, you can actually buy a 2WD Jeep. Absolutely absurd.”

    Apparently you are unaware that even back in the CJ days, you could buy a 2WD Jeep and they were quite successful at the time.

  • VulpineMac

    Please note that the version pictured is NOT a factory-stock version of the model. This so-called ‘purist’ is anything but.
    Every single time a new version of Jeep comes out, the so-called ‘purists’ have complained, “But it’s not a REAL Jeep!” Yet with every new model lately not only have they proven themselves capable of carrying the name, they’ve proven themselves more popular than the purists wanted to believe.

  • Tree Top flyer

    I guess it gets down to personal preferences. I agree that the current Jeeps are heavy, underpowered sloths. Additionally, having owned a 2012 with a manual tranny, it was the worst manual transmission I have ever used, (and I have owned many) and sold it as a result. However, I still feel that the Fiat Grand Cherokee, and the Renegade are ugly, and that they are planning on moving farther away from what we view as a traditional Wrangler. General Motors beleives it too. They built a prototype vehicle to compete with the Wrangler back in 2008-9, but when the economy tanked, they shelved it. However, now, with Fiat’s plan to “unibody the Wrangler, and essentially completely change it, they are seriously considering bringing back their version, as they feel Jeep loyalists would “jump ship” with a viable alternative.

  • John Keressi

    I am SO GLAD that I still have my 1991 Jeep YJ. It’s what everyone I know agrees is REAL JEEP. I agree that the new Jeep Wrangler is an insult to anyone who owns a real Jeep. I guarantee that drivers of this ugly new version will not get any Jeep owner waves from me!

  • Dalton

    When did jeep turn into Isuzu looking crap. The last few new jeeps that have come out are terrible looking and not even remotely reminiscent of the classic jeep look. Very disappointing

  • Domas

    I always liked Jeeps but this Renegade, and the all-time-ugliest Cherokee are just horrible… I’m thinking this is the influence of Fiat and the “sissy” looking European “compact SUVs”.. I’m myself a European alright, but I just like the SUVs on the bigger and more aggressive side. Thank god I still have my WJ, it’s not a Wrangler, but at least it doesn’t look so miserable…

  • Jerseyhawks12

    Im looking for a daily driver that gets decent mileage and can handle the winters we get here in the NE. I love my 91 XJ but it’s just not practical for fuel reasons. I’ll keep it until the wheels fall off though. This defintely has some promise! I like that I can get with with manual trans- not a common option in vehicles these days.

  • God Youreboring

    As an XJ owner from ages 16 to 36 (and counting) this thing makes me sad…

  • VulpineMac

    I guess I have a slight advantage here; I’m not a die-hard Jeep fanatic, though I do like my Wrangler up to a point. The JKU’s capabilities are stellar, but I’ve had annoying issues with the Daimler manual transmission from the beginning and was forced to replace the PDU (power distribution unit or whatever they call that module) after the car went crazy one time when I hit the keyfob to unlock it. It also has an ongoing brake issue which has force the complete rebuild of all four brakes and already has me with another warped rotor in the last 20K miles. Still, I put the blame on Daimler, not Fiat, as they cheaped out on too many things in the car.

    Meanwhile, I’m currently driving a Fiat 500 and the performance of the car is remarkable for running with only 100 horses under the hood. There are those who call it weak, but it seems they’re afraid to wind the engine up enough to realize the available horses. Add to this that other actual owners have found the car remarkably reliable, in contradiction to its 40-year-old reputation in the US. Since the new Renegade is designed by American Jeep engineers on Fiat’s almost legendary Panda underpinnings with an all-new suspension and drive train, I believe the new Renegade will surprise a lot of people who refuse to accept this as a “real Jeep”.

  • 2014 JKU

    Sir, your post, which is your opinion is of concern to me. A real jeep? 70+ hp increase, stock lockers, 73:1 low ratio, greater ground clearance, etc… is an insult? Do you only eat vanilla ice cream and watch your 25″ crt television? Listen to your walkman while jogging? Unfortunately you don’t understand the Wrangler or Jeep for that matter. It’s an idea, an institution. It’s America’s one true sports vehicle. It’s the most customizable vehicle ever built, capable of anything. Owners have them because they like the outdoors and getting off the pavement. That goes for any trail capable jeep. Keep your wave, but I’m sure others will give you one as they drive past when you’re stuck or broke down.

  • alex myagkiy

    This is a slap on a face to all Jeep owners. What happened to the real Jeep that is a lean-mean all terrain machine? Time to fire the crack-pot head designers who came up with last few models and get back to the Jeep roots.

  • jc

    Interesting to read some of the negative comments from the diehards. I’m a 3x Wrangler Owner (TJ, YJ, KJ) and am very eager for the next Wrangler to come out. That said, I don’t dislike this Renegade. Wouldn’t necessarily buy it, but I don’t think it’s an “embarrassment.” This one just falls under different models for different customers. I really like that there is a manual option (major +++ in my book) and even that (apparently dumb) removable sunroof configuration is a very qwirky Jeep thing to have done, haha.

  • Quadpit

    I didn’t like it when it first came out but it’s starting to grow on me more as time goes by. I love driving my modified 2003 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland but I see this as an economic DD and keep my WJ for the serious stuff. I love the Jeep community but man do they eat their own if it’s not a Wrangler. Yes these newer Jeeps are not as capable but keep in mind with pressure for fuel economy, safety features and roll-over fears this is the way of the future and I feel the die-hard’s should welcome new models like this as it will bring more people into the Jeep world and maybe a Wrangler or more capable Jeep in the future. The reality is if Jeep only made the Wranger versions the would not be able to sell enough and would fade away. By giving more options, to more Jeep buyers, makes the brand stronger and allow the money pool to be larger for all models so I welcome this strange little Jeep and maybe it will steal away some Subaru purchasers for those of us in the the northern parts where all-wheel drive is nice to have on a DD? Anywho, don’t think of these new models as taking away from the Jeep tradition but allowing it to continue.

  • yelloturd

    LOL, you obviously know nothing about rock-crawling. The JKs are overweight / underpowered turds.

  • yelloturd

    If I wanted a Fiat, that is what I would buy.

  • VulpineMac

    And there are tons of YouTube videos that will call you a liar.

  • beekay31

    Two posts down you’re talking about how amazing your JK is.

  • Domas

    Not sure if this is against your beliefs, but how about a diesel Jeep as a compromise?
    My ’04 WJ 2.7 CRD easily gets 25 MPG, it’s not a V8 but believe me it’s plentiful as diesels have much higher torque. Yeah, it sounds more like a tractor but I kinda like it on a Jeep 🙂

  • VulpineMac

    No, I’m talking about how capable it is. It just so happens I no longer need that capability considering the new models that have come out from Jeep. However, that also doesn’t mean that I can’t be wooed back by a newer, better Wrangler.

  • VulpineMac

    I bought a Fiat and am quite happy with it. I still have my JKU Wrangler, though. For now.

  • yelloturd

    That is not rock crawling . Lets see a JKU do back door. If they were so capable, people would not need to swap in a v8 just to do the harder trails in Moab.

  • VulpineMac

    What, you just looked at one video and said, “This represents all JK Jeeps”? Try again. The JK and JKU are seen quite frequently at Moab and there’s a why the JK Rubicon carries that name–as it is capable of running the entire Rubicon Trail from end to end factory stock; reputedly the most difficult off-road trail in America.

  • yelloturd

    because they are softening the brand to appeal to women and Bro’s

  • yelloturd

    Since I am a competitive rockcrawler, I do not have to look at the BoobTube. And the Rubicon is not the trail it once was and has bypasses around the tough areas. You do not seem to know what true rock crawling is. Do you even know what backdoor is ?

  • VulpineMac

    For the edification of all, tell us what backdoor is.

    Meanwhile, prove to me that any older model Jeep CJ or Wrangler can do what the current model can do, UNmodified. I am not aware of many CJs or later that came with V8 engines, so that alone is a modification, not even counting all the lifts and other things done to a Wrangler-type Jeep. Beyond that, most factory V8s before the 90s capable of fitting under the hood of a Wrangler type were small blocks at the time lucky to push much more than 200 hp, the engine bay and mounts needing extensive modification to fit a 300-horse-plus big block. As such, your “Real Jeeps” are no more–or less–“Real” than the current model.
    As for me, I live on the east coast and visit places like Rousch Creek and the Pine Barrens, so we don’t have the luxury of doing a whole lot of the same kind of rock crawling you have available in the southwest. On the other hand, I follow several blogs featuring JK Wranglers on many trails out there, including Black Bear Road. As I’ve said before, I’m quite aware of what the current Wrangler is capable.

  • VulpineMac

    Oh, and here’s a JKU climbing Backdoor back in ’09

  • yelloturd

    I have put my 2006 Tj unlimited Rubicon Jks all over the country and none could ever keep up. In my buggy, it is not even close.

  • VulpineMac

    Your TJ is not factory stock now either, is it? I’m betting you have a V8 and a ridiculous lift under it, don’t you?

    I might note that speed isn’t necessarily what’s important either–unless you race as you’ve clearly stated you do.

  • yelloturd

    No Retard, the TJ is my Daily Driver. It has the stock 4.0 inline 6 ( a much better engine than the weak minivan v6 in the JK)

  • VulpineMac

    … except that the Wrangler has not had that “weak minivan V6” on board for over 3 years now. And really, it’s not all that weak. It’s still 200 horses, though I will grant you the torque as compared to that older V6. BUT, I’m betting you’re still not stock underneath.

  • yelloturd

    You really are dense. My Tj Rubicon Unlimited is stock with the exception of tires. Since it has air locked d44s, 4:1 transfer case and a 6 speed trans, there is no need.
    And even the Panti-star is not a good crawling engine. That is why so many people jerk them out if they are actually using them offroad. Hauling the kids to soccer and going to Whole Foods is accomplished easily with this minivan with beefy body.

  • VulpineMac

    You know, the more you rant, the more you prove that you’re not a ‘real’ Jeeper. The fact that you insist on saying your older TJ ‘runs away’ from the JKs means you don’t like jeeping in a group or club that works to ensure everyone gets through, no matter the model.

    Fine. Your TJ is the greatest. But the JK can do things factory stock that your TJ can’t do without those huge tires.

  • yelloturd

    I thought you were talking about rock crawling. I see you are really talking about trail riding. You are right, the new Fiat 500 renegade will suit your needs just fine.
    As for huge tires, they are stock size . You sure like to make ASSumptions.
    I am sorry that you feel the road humps at Trader Joes are a challenge.

  • VulpineMac

    You can’t have it both ways, dude. Stock tires on the TJ were smaller and ground clearance lower than the existing JK Wrangler. That means it can take obstacles that a stock TJ cannot take, and this was very clearly demonstrated to me at Rousch Creek as ALL of the TJs there had a minimum 2″ lift riding on 32″ or taller tires–the same tires that come stock on the JK and JK Rubi.

  • yelloturd

    Dummy, mine is a Tj Rubicon Unlimited ( as I have said numerous times but you have the inability to read). And you obviously know nothing about picking the right line, approach and departure angles ect.
    BTW, a lift does not give you more ground clearance and is not required to run 32’s on a TJ. ( lets see if you can figure that one out )
    But show up to the trail with a stock JK non Rubicon and you will not make it up the first hill.

  • Desert Raider

    I was afraid a European company would screw up the Jeep. Looks like I was right. It looks like a hard sell to me. I am glad I have my TJ.

  • Patrick

    i’m just curious how they can talk about this car without a single mention of the SUBARU XV CROSSTREK? i think its almost a direct comparison. Although the AWD of the subaru is a little better suited to the off road stuff, I would like to know they compare on road.

  • Patrick

    Doesn’t it look like they took a 5 year old’s picture of a school bus and made a car out of it?

  • Brian Cox

    Can’t get around the looks. Just plain ugly. Fortunately my CJ-2A isn’t cruising the web; it would break its heart to see the crazy, misguided makeover its descendants are willing to try.

  • Mario Francic

    Owned a few years ago a Grand Cherokee ZG from 95….I was born in the old classic jeep-era, and now I cannot believe whats going on in the car-industrie…every second car looks equal…Jeeps are made with a Fiat-look, since Fiat bought the company…I dont know where this everything is heading…my next car wont be a new one…would buy again a Jeep from the 90s!

  • Mario Francic

    Well you should not compare Fiat with other european brands..Fiat has alos a very bad reputation in Europe!!