2015 Honda CR-V vs. 2015 Subaru Forester

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2015 Honda CR-V vs. 2015 Subaru Forester

One year ago we put eight compact crossovers in a battle royal to determine which high-riding hatchback is the best in the business. Focusing on comfort, efficiency, value and practicality, a surprise champion emerged; the Subaru Forester.

Another shock that came out of that comparison was how poorly the 2014 Honda CR-V performed. When the dust settled, the CR-V had only managed a fifth place finish, losing to all of its main competitors like the Toyota RAV4 and Mazda CX-5. Average fuel economy, poor rear seat comfort, a lackluster design, an unfavorable transmission and an absence of the usual Honda refinement all relegated the CR-V to a sub-par finish.

SEE ALSO: 2015 Honda CR-V Review

But 2015 sees the CR-V receiving its mid-cycle refresh and Honda has worked hard to address all of these short comings. An updated design inside and out, the most notable change for 2015 is the addition of a continuously variable transmission (CVT).

To see how substantial these updates are in improving the CR-V, we decided to pit it against our current benchmark in the compact crossover category, the defending champion Subaru Forester. With specifications mirroring each other so closely, we assumed this would be a tight battle – and it was. What we didn’t expect is how different these two vehicles actually are.

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Winning Formula Under the Hood

The 2015 CR-V and Forester stick to the same Compact CUV formula when it comes to drivetrains. A large four-cylinder engine sends power through a CVT to all four wheels. But that’s where the similarities end. In the Forester the engine is a Boxer design that produces 170 HP and 174 lb-ft. of torque in a greasy gurgle out of the exhaust pipe. The all-wheel drive system defaults the power split percentage wise 60/40 to the front and rear wheels.

The CR-V makes do with a smaller but more powerful 2.4-liter engine that makes 185 HP and 181 lb-ft of torque. The all-wheel drive system’s power split is less aggressive, sending more power to the front wheels at all times. That combined with a ground clearance of just 6.8 inches (6.4 for FWD models), or 1.9 shorter than the Forester, emphasizes that the CR-V is meant more for on-road excursions while the Forester can handle some mild off-roading.

Attack of the Drones

Despite having less power, the Forester is the more responsive vehicle under acceleration thanks to aggressive throttle mapping and a 150-lb. weight advantage. More troublesome for the CR-V though is an engine drone and minor shudder that occurs at low RPM. Although we’re unsure if this is caused by the CVT or the engine itself, it’s annoying albeit subtle.

On the fuel economy front, the CR-V should have a distinct advantage. Rated at 26 MPG in the city and 33 MPG on the highway, the Honda holds a 2 MPG city and 1 MPG highway advantage over the Subaru. But during wintery real world testing, the Forester actually beat the CR-V by a slim margin posting an observed average of 24 MPG versus 23.8 MPG.

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Clever Packaging Wins the Day

So far, things aren’t looking good for the CR-V. But rest assured Honda fans, from here on out the CR-V begins to shine, beginning with cargo capability. Rated to haul 35.2 cubic feet of cargo behind the rear seats, the CR-V holds a small advantage space-wise over the Forester. With the seats folded down the numbers swing in the Subaru’s favor, but real world usage does not reflect that.

Using a clever forward flipping rear seat cushion, the CR-V’s load floor remains flatter when the rear seat backs are down. What’s more, the CR-V load height is much lower, a by-product of the lower ground clearance.

SEE ALSO: 2014 Subaru Forester Review2015-honda-crv-headlights.jpg

Like ride comfort, from the driver’s seat it’s a bit of a wash. The CR-V offers the more comfortable seat and superior driving position, but the Forester wins on visibility. With a lower beltline, squarer rear window and door mounted mirrors, sightlines out of the Forester are fantastic.

Rear seat comfort in both crossovers is good, with the Forester holding a slight advantage thanks to a less flat seat bottom. Rear armrest placements in the Forester are better angled towards adult passengers while the lower locations of the armrests in the CR-V are more kid friendly. Rear seat legroom is a virtual tie, but the CR-V does offer a bit more headroom due to a less intrusive sunroof hump.

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Compare Specs

2015 Honda CR-V
vs
2015 Subaru Forester
Vehicle 2015 Honda CR-V Advantage 2015 Subaru Forester
Engine 2.4 L Four-Cylinder - 2.5 L Four Cylinder
Transmission CVT - CVT
Horsepower 185 HP CR-V 170 HP
Torque 181 lb-ft. CR-V 174 lb-ft.
Weight 3,521 lbs. Forester 3,366 lbs.
Rear Legroom 38.2 inches - 38 inches
Cargo Space (seats up) 35.2 cubic feet (no split fold) CR-V 34.4 cubic feet
Cargo Space (seats down) 70.9 cubic feet Forester 74.7 cubic feet
Fuel Economy (US) 26 MPG city, 33 MPG hwy CR-V 24 MPG city, 32 MPG hwy
Fuel Economy (CDN) 9.1 L/100 km city, 7.2 L/100 km hwy - 9.6 L/100 km city, 7.5 L/100 km hwy
Observed Fuel Economy 23.8 MPG Forester 24 MPG
Starting Price(US) $24,200 Forester $23,045
Starting Price(CDN) $27,863 - $27,645
Top Trim(US) $33,650 Forester $32,840
top Trim (CDN) $37,663 - $37,345

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Technologically Packed

Subaru has come a long way with the brand’s interiors, but there is still farther to go. The CR-V’s features a better design with more premium materials and higher levels of fit and finish. We prefer the CR-V’s dual screen set-up over the Foresters as it’s easier to use and displays the reverse camera on the larger infotainment screen instead of the smaller secondary screen like the Subaru does.

Both the CR-V and Forester can be had with impressive technology like adaptive cruise control and forward crash detection. The CR-V ups the ante with active lane keep and lane watch camera, while the Forester counters with lockable AWD and a larger sunroof. That near panoramic sunroof in the Forester does not tilt up to vent though and we would give the technology edge to the CR-V. The best part of the Honda’s active lane keep is that it can be used with the lane departure warning turned off, but the system does take some getting used to as it is aggressive and tugs on the steering wheel when making corrections.

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The Verdict:

With these two crossovers are so closely matched, it might all come down to a question of price. Starting at $23,045 after destination charges, the Forester, with standard all-wheel drive, actually undercuts the front-wheel drive base CR-V which starts at $24,200. After that though, the pricing basically mirrors each other depending on what equipment is included. At the high end, a fully loaded Forester Touring with the eyesight option comes in at $32,840, which is cheaper than a CR-V Touring AWD listed at $33,650. But as mentioned earlier, that extra $810 does net more technology.

So what is a consumer to do? Well, it comes down to where you live and what are your priorities. If you live in a hilly region where the roads are wet and muddy in the summer, then snowy and icy in the winter – the Subaru Forester is the right choice. But for everyone else, we recommend the Honda CR-V. Despite its minor drivetrain woes, the CR-V is a more refined vehicle everywhere else with better comfort, greater utility and simple usability.

2015 Honda CR-V

2015 Subaru Forester

  • FP

    What about driving impressions/handling? What kind of review is this without discussing handling?

  • Mike Schlee

    The two crossovers drive well enough and are easy to operate. Since this segment is less about handling and more about practicality/usability, I focused more of the articles attention in that direction.

  • Mike

    For some reason, the comparison chart refers to Accord and Camry as winners of the Starting Trim and Top Trim categories…

  • Mike Schlee

    Oops, thanks for pointing that out, it’s been fixed.

  • Allan Turrick

    Well you fucking suck then.

  • Oscar

    Great article! And still the heavyweight champion of the worldddd…. Subie Forester. ; )

  • VWWV

    I don’t think that’s “throttle mapping”, that’s an engine with a more generous power and torque curve, despite less peak power

  • gk_2000

    Now, there was no need for that .. fight with wifey any?

  • Thanks for the informative comparison – we are in the process of evaluating CUV’s and I was leaning hard towards the CRV. The Forester is now in contention, thanks to your review. Unlike the special needs person, I’ll take a test drive to figure out which one I like the best. Again – job well done.

  • moomistercowman

    The big thing is going to come down to reliability. 2014 Subarus are still notorious oil burners and we have no good data about how Honda’s 2015 CRV CVT will hold up.

  • “So what is a consumer to do? Well, it comes down to where you live and what are your priorities. If you live in a hilly region where the roads are wet and muddy in the summer, then snowy and icy in the winter – the Subaru Forester is the right choice. But for everyone else, we recommend the Honda CR-V. Despite its minor drivetrain woes, the CR-V is a more refined vehicle everywhere else with better comfort, greater utility and simple usability.”

    But for all of us, I recommend the Chevrolet Corvette Z06, or for everyone else, I recommend the Forester XT.

  • Jeff T

    BULLSHIT!

  • Oscar

    I think the previous oil burning issues affected mostly the manual transmission Foresters and not the CVT featured in this article.

  • Chris Crawford

    He took the time to write the article, you jerk. And I’m sure he appreciated your comment.
    Hey internet, where is that sarcasm font…

  • moomistercowman

    it was more than manual transmissions, since manual transmission SUVs pretty much don’t get sold in the United States. There are currently 2 class action lawsuits against Subaru of America for excessive oil consumption in 2014 Forresters

  • Oscar

    Yeah I’ve read about that lawsuit in the United States. I rarely hear about this oil consumption problem in Australia though, and you might be surprised to know that the 2013 and 2014 Forester 2.5i CVT actually won Australia’s Best Cars award for Best AWD under $45K (i.e. it’s a new vehicle testing and awards program in Australia). I don’t really know how widespread this reported problem is, anyhow we’ll probably know once the feedback from the 2015 Forester owners start coming in.

  • hi

    It seemed like the Forester had better features, no?

  • Brian Ward

    Where is expected resell value? That greatly influences the cost of a vehicle.

  • Jim

    There’s also a class action law suit against Honda for CRV’s excessive oil consumption. I am currently doing a consumption test with my CRV with my dealer as I burned more than 4 quarts in 5K miles. They gave me a BS line that if the consuption is less that 1 quart per 1000 miles, it’s within Hondas specification for the CRV. I never owned any vehicle
    the consumed any oil between oil changes. Now I have a fairly new vehicle and I’m suppose to add a quart of oil every 1000 miles. That’s just crazy. I was told it was designed that way to get better fuel mileage. I only get 24 mpg. I guess if if it gave me 40 mpg, I’d have to add 2 quarts every 100 miles. They must think all their customers were born yesterday. What ever happened to Honda???

  • laughton57 .

    ” An updated design inside and out, the most notable
    change for 2015 is the addition of a continuously variable transmission
    (CVT).” We used CVTs in snowmobiles 40 years ago – still do today. Two centrifugal clutches – probably 1/10 the cost of the old type of auto transmission and they charge you more for it? Now that’s engineering! .

  • Dustin

    Making a reliable CVT for two tons at high speeds is an engineering challenge. It’s true, though, that CVTs are cheaper to build than automatics. They weren’t cheaper to R&D, though.

    I was a little disappointed when I traded in a stick shift for a Honda with a CVT, but it’s powerful and fast, and changing the fluid was like changing engine oil. 40k miles later I’m very happy with the CVT.

  • Dustin

    There’s a lawsuit for everything, most of them are BS.

    Something about your comment doesn’t add up. The CRV reviewed here only has a few quarts of fluid in the transmission. CVTs are not like automatics. Burning 80% of the oil in a few thousand miles is ridiculous and certainly not common. I don’t even think it’s physically possible, as the mechanism would break before that ratio of fluid could burn off.

    Hondas are still top of the line for reliability in my experience.

    No Honda dealer told you that 1 quart of fluid burnt off in 1000 miles is normal for a CVT, as that is more than double the tolerance level for the car to be driven.

  • tom truth

    I would buy the forester if subarus weren’t known to burn oil and blow head gaskets prematurely. So, I am getting the honda instead.

  • who win the battle ?!

  • roadtripgirl

    The Subarus do not have the oil burning problems they once did. I have test driven the CR-V both the 2014 and the 2015, and found there was very little improvement. The CR-V waddles all over the road like a fat lady in a girdle, which I guess is appropriate since that is what it looks like. I have 3 disabled children so comfort is of great importance.. There is no recline in the rear seat of the CR-V, well 1 inch so I don’t count that. The Forester seats are by far more comfortable and have a very nice recline (Outback has slightly more). The Forester is so much more fun to drive. It handles very nicely, has a zippy little personality, the sunroof rocks, and let’s face it looks so much better than the CR-V. I am ordering a 2016 Forester, rumor has it and I have seen a few things that substantiate the claims of a few new colors, new infotainment center and possibly an added engine size. Try them yourself. If interested in the Forester there are certain dealerships that have amazing deals on 2015’s right now.

  • dg

    “The CR-V waddles all over the road like a fat lady in a girdle”

    What does that even mean?

  • Freedom64

    Basically if you should be driving a sedan but won’t go with the CRV. If you drive in snow, mud and really rough dirt roads out West go with the Forester. Can’t tell you how many times a passed pick up trucks, jeeps and range rovers in my forester on rough roads. Come to think of it none ever passed me.

  • snococlam

    He never said it was transmission fluid. (Maybe you read it as “CVT” instead of “CRV”?) These oil consumptions problems are with motor oil. Many automakers are facing the same oil consumption lawsuits, supposedly linked to the use of new lightweight synthetic motor oils. Toyota is being sued by the same firm that is suing Subaru. I have read elsewhere that Subaru has fixed the problem for 2015 models by changing the surface treatment of its piston rings, and is addressing previously affected vehicles on a case-by-case basis.

  • Dustin

    You’re right. i have no idea how I misread that.

  • Tom Benzoni

    I’m a last time Forester owner.
    I have an 07.
    Fit and finish are awful.
    Rear hanger bearing failed with just 1,000 miles over warranty.
    Subaru’s response was Too bad, so sad, should have bought the extended warranty. That’ll be $800.
    This tells me they don’t have confidence in their own vehicles.
    I am now dropping screws and fasteners by the dozen.
    I do not intend to buy another; Subaru lost a BRZ sale here by their lack of confidence.
    (Hint: Kia got good by making a goal.)
    Toyota, here we come.

  • RoseFlorida

    What the Forester needs is a more powerful, bigger engine option – not a turbocharged one needing premium gas to get its best results. That plus either a standard transmission or a six speed (or more) traditional automatic. The CVT is fine for tooling around town with, but there are plenty of situations in which it is unpleasant. I will leave it for others to document their experiences, but mountain driving in the midst of slow moving traffic is not a strong point, nor are quick entries or lane changes in fast moving city freeway traffic. I think (am not sure) that the mileage improvement with the CVT comes with the price of poorer performance versus the standard.

  • Tom Swift

    Every review of AWD vehicles that face off against a Subaru always fails to account for the superiority of the Subaru symmetrical AWD and the top notch VDC system. No converted FWD sidewinder system from anyone else even comes close to the level of traction control you get with a Subaru.

    Take the Honda to a hill climb with patchy ice and try to make it up the hill. No way will it out climb a Forester. Send them into a skid on water soaked pavement and see which one rights itself and keeps you between the white lines. Absolutely no contest. Subaru wins every time. In the Lake Ontario snowbelt I feel confident that my wife will stay on the road pointed straight ahead.

    In 40k miles my 2011 Forester hasn’t used a drop of 0W20 synthetic oil either.

  • TheRealStory556

    If you don’t care about seat comfort and chintzy materials and care only about ground clearance and AWD, go with the Forester. Reverse that for the CR-V. Subaru has the best AWD by far, but the worst interior of any vehicle in its class and THE WORST seats in its class as well or quite possibly of any class of vehicles. The CR-V has one of the weakest 4WD systems in its class, but one of the best interiors and the seats are superior to anything else in its class as well

  • Emil Wisekal

    I’ve owned my 2014 Subaru Forester for 16 months and driven highway/local roads for 24,000 miles, and I’m not burning any engine oil between changes. What are the people doing to burn oil? Driving at highway speed 10 seconds after they crank over their engines? I always warm up my engine a few minutes (either by idling in the driveway, or by driving slowly, between 20 and 30 mph) before I ramp up to higher speeds. There is a blue light in the dashboard cluster that extinguishes when the engine is warmed up, which is about 90 degrees Fahrenheit at the engine thermostat in the Forester.

  • Sore_Subaru_Butt

    I agree with TheRealStory556 completely. All other things equal, the Forester comes down to two issues: the best AWD, but the worst seats (did someone say, “THE WORST”?).

    The problem for Subaru is they need to differentiate the Forester from the Outback. The recent Outback’s have great comfy seats, so Subaru (in their infinite wisdom) decided to make the Forester seats to as hard and uncomfortable as possible.

  • Sore_Subaru_Butt

    I agree the Subaru’s are fun to drive, but the Forester seats are really, really, really bad. In fact, they were intentionally designed to be uncomfortable in order to differentiate the Forester from the Outback.

  • pbug56

    If and when I have a decent job again I’d get another Forester or other Subaru; once I put decent tires on my 2003XS to replace the slipsiding Geolanders I’ve had great handling and very good traction here on Long Island in snow country. Which Subie depends on the features in the different models; Forester tends to lag. I’d give my old one to my daughter (and hope she doesn’t get it in another accident that wasn’t the car’s fault). It still drives very well.

  • roadtripgirl

    It means what it says,, my dearest friend is quite a large woman. It was actually her comment when going with me to test drive. It handles like a fat lady in a girdle, meaning it has a lot of body roll in the turns, curvy roads, and lane changes. Nothing like the tight crisp handling of the Forester. It was not meant as a slight to anyone.

  • roadtripgirl

    I will agree, the Outback seats are more comfortable, but didn’t find the Forester seats uncomfortable. I am assuming it may be different for certain people. I am a small woman. It was refreshing to sit in a seat without the edge digging into my calves. I can imagine a taller man though would need more support. The other issue with the CR-V is the weird seat configuration for folding them down, and still in wonder why a obviously family oriented vehicle doesn’t have reclining seats. All in all it’s whatever works for the individual.
    I have 3 kids in wheelchairs and 1 adult daughter in a wheelchair, and have driven a minivan since 1983. This time I am getting something for me, that makes sense, has a bit of fun in it, that I can take the dogs, or a few of the kids, or a kayak when I don’t need our van or truck. The information on the new 2016 Forester comes out in about 3 weeks. Orders are suspected to be taken as of midde of May, with them showing up on lots around mid July to August… (so far just rumor) just enjoy whatever you drive and be safe..

  • ntotrr

    The 2.5L engine used in the Subaru had a piston ring problem that caused oil burning. That was in the past. I’ve got a 2014 Forester with 30,000 miles on it in little over a year of ownership and haven’t burned a drop of oil.

  • left4dead

    I’ve had an 02, 05 and 06, each year better than the previous one. only complaint I have is how noisy they are. unfortunately they lost me with the 09 body redesign.

  • Ted Jiju

    Cars are different. If yours is not burning oil it doesn’t mean that nobody’s else won’t 🙂

  • Emil Wisekal

    Ted, perhaps I should have asked the question first: do the people who complain about high oil consumption in their Forester (or their Honda CRV, or any vehicle) take the time and effort to properly warm up their engines before opening up the throttle? In very cold weather, it might take 5 minutes of easy driving. In warm weather, it might take 15 or 30 seconds. The engine does not labor as much, and it is pretty obvious (to me) after its warmed up.

  • Johnson

    extended warranty wouldn’t have covered the rear hanger bearing anyway. extended warrantys are always third party and subaru itself will not cover ANYTHING. Don’t forget dealerships BUY from subaru and sell to the customer. The dealership itself denied you Not subaru, Dont forget the dealership is there to make money, if they are losing money on a warranty thats CLEARLY written in paper your sol. if you brought it up to SOA like you were suppose to you would have yourself a new shiny part on your car. and 800$ for a 40 dollar part? You got jacked the fuck up. grab your jack and get underneath and change it yourself. It isnt that difficult.

  • JOhnson

    Its sad that the masses rather prefer bluetooth and GPS and “comfort of seats” than a car that can handle. Stupidity never ceases to amaze me. If people did their research there would be no contest between these two. But sadly everyone looks at the horsepower, the “specs” that almost tell you nothing. and how much technology it has. No honda the CRV still as the same fucking engine from 2001. Get rid of the K series and work on something newer. 15 years is long enough regardless of how different the heads are.

  • Johnson

    So based on you observation of what you heard or read you think that a 2015 burns oil. Nice I bet that all you knew is that it had a 2.0. They got rid of the ej25 which the problem of oil burning plauged EARLY ej25’s. By the time they got up to 2010 10 years later the problem was solved. AND on top of that they moved onto a new engine FA20 with no problems. Dont forget the people that post online are the ones that are having problems. How often do you see a post on the forums saying I LOVE MY CAR IT HAS NO PROBLEMS! Compare to how many are on the road vs in the shop. Do your research kid, dont forget to change your muffler bearings every 3000 miles and add blinker fluid every 10k on your honda! You dont want your lights going out!

  • klhsd

    or get a miata and drop an ls in it… get a hitch and tow a camper for storage and passengers.
    Miata is always the answer.

  • Tom Swift

    I have the touring model of 2011 Forester with leather seats. The seats are very comfortable and do very well for long trips. I’m not sure what the complaint is unless maybe the 2014 has harder seats or people aren’t springing for the upscale model.

    I put safety above all else, especially for my wife, and Subaru AWD has my business for life. No contest.

  • Mike Daniel

    My 2012 Impreza has burned 1.5 qts every 3k miles since brand new. I take excellent care of the car and it has made no difference in oil consumption.

  • Mike Daniel

    This won’t make any difference. That being said, yes, I warm up the car on cold days here in MN and oil consumption still remains high.

  • Mike Daniel

    Subaru interiors are not as bad as you say. Wake up and go drive one of the new ones.

  • Mike Daniel

    My 2012 Impreza uses over 1.5 qts every 3k miles—since brand new.

  • Mike Daniel

    Problem with lots of Subarus is they burn oil. Mine has done this since it was brand new. I’ve owned 6 new Honda’s. None used oil.

  • TheRealStory556

    I have a new one you abject moron, hence why I said the interior is cheap. I have a 2015 Forester. The interior is cheaper than a base model Civic.

    STFU and move along you troll

  • Tito

    While its it not good to rev a cold engine, it is also not good to idle a cold engine as that will slow the warming process leading to more wear in the long-run. You manual will say to start driving immediately. Just keep the rpms down.

  • Elanna Bella Roy

    TheRealStory556…your vulgarity shows YOU are the moron. There’s really no need to be hostile with this conversation. Speak like an adult or keep your mouth shut.

  • TheRealStory556

    your husband shouldn’t let you on the internet machine before you cleaned up dinner

  • Elanna Bella Roy

    That’s ridiculous.

  • Elanna Bella Roy

    They must be under 18…When acne appears, so does the anger.

  • Jasoturner

    I just got a 2015 Forester XT. I was really unimpressed with the base engines from Mazda, Honda, Subaru and Toyota. The turbo is actually fun to drive, and in sport mode it accelerates quite well. The minute I drove it I knew I wanted it. I got the top end model, and the interior quality is good but not luxurious. At least the seats are leather.

    The navigation/infotanement system is pretty awful, but I care more about how the car performs than how well the gadgets are executed. Nonetheless, they need to improve this. The collision avoidance system is pretty good so far.

    Given the price point the dealer was willing to meet, and the availability of sub-2% financing, this was a very reasonable deal in the end.

  • Jasoturner

    What’s wrong with a turbo? The thing rocks. So you pay a couple bucks more each fill up. It’s way worth it for the fun ride.

    I would kind of agree with the CVT comment, but the turbo has a couple of sport modes that work quite well as simulated 6 and 8 speed trannies. If you want it to, this thing moves.

  • Unhappy camper

    I have had foresters for 8yrs. Totally loved them. Until my 2011 just had an insane engine melt down caused by oil covering my motor and tearing the engine apart. I am deeply disappointed with subaru for K owing there was a problem and ignoring it

  • JohnnyBehan

    Wow, you’re a fattie and a mouthy one!

  • Elanna Bella Roy

    Now that’s the ignorant mouth of a true dick. Another reason men get pissed and defensive if a woman stands her ground right? You can’t act like an intelligent man because you’re not right? How pathetic and oh so typically hostile. Grow up fool.

  • JohnnyBehan

    Oh did I offend the fattie? Sorry fattie.

  • JohnnyBehan

    Oh did I offend the fattie? Sorry fattie.

  • John Smith

    Uncomfortable front seats killed the deal for the Forester, which was leading until then, thanks to its better AWD and available standard transmission, which left it between Mazda and Honda. Since I knew Honda is tops for reliability, that sealed the deal for the CR-V, though the Mazda drove the best of any of these small SUVs.

  • John Smith

    Flat with a short cushion, which makes you feel like you are sliding forward always.

  • John Smith

    Stress on internal components and a shorter life.

  • John Smith

    If you feel you’re always sliding out of the front seat, how can you enjoy better handling?

  • Jasoturner

    I dunno about that. I have a 1.8L VW turbo with 250,000 miles on it and the engine runs like the day I bought it. Proper maintenance and these things will run forever.

  • John Smith

    Nobody gets that much off Subaru turbo motors.

  • Jay Last

    An “adult” doesn’t call someone they don’t even know a “true dick” and “fool”. More important, and more typical, you inserted yourself into a conversation that didn’t even involve you. How pathetic and oh so typically female.

  • blocked_five_times

    Nothing beats subaru’s awd. Nothing. Crv in snow is a crap shoot. Forester is a safer car. Google crash test results for small overlay test and watch how the crv fails miserably.

  • Amos_B_Hoople

    Honda proves superior reliability and resale. Subarus are OK until you try to trade one in.

  • irinaionina

    i also have Forester 14 and it burns a quart every 1500-2000 mi and i do warm up engine 🙂 do you think only you care about your car 🙂 i am so enoyed about it and argue with the company not ecxepting the problem, so i am getting out of the lease and leasing toyota instead; never will by subaru again

  • Emil Wisekal

    So, “irinaionina”, do you think that I have been lucky with my 2014 Forester? I don’t know why you and some other people are having high oil consumption. My wife has a 2013 Impreza with a similar engine (not the same, slightly smaller) and the oil consumption is also normal, no extra oil needed between changes. IT IS A MYSTERY.

    I don’t warm up my engine very long – only 30 seconds to 1 minute before driving, even today when it is 10 degrees F in the morning.

    I change the oil and filter in both Forester and Impreza between 5,000 and 7,500 miles, and I use FRAM filters and Mobil 1 synthetic, 0-20W — both of these are available at Wal-Mart for $30 total.

    At how many miles do you change your oil? What type of oil and what type of filters do you use? Do you know? Do you do it yourself, or go to dealership or ‘fast oil change’ companies? I usually do it myself. It is very easy to do yourself in Subaru engines: oil filter on top, oil plug conveniently located below without any other obstructions.

    I owned several Toyota cars and vans before these two Subaru cars. They did not consume very much oil, but I would not say they had “zero” oil consumption. Those cars are also much more difficult to service yourself. Try changing a full set of spark plugs in a sideways-mounted six cylinder Toyota engine: it is very difficult.

    ANY car engine of any brand will use more oil if the oil level gets too low. The piston rings and/or cylinder walls can become damaged from being under-lubricated and over-heated, even once. I know because when I was very young, I caused a Honda engine and a Mazda engine to begin using more oil (and smoke) because I did not properly re-seat the engine oil filter and oil plug gasket, and their oil levels went too low. I could only blame myself.

    Leasing is usually not an efficient method of financing a car unless the dealer or car MFG is offering a special deal, but that is another subject entirely.

    Good luck.

  • Emil Wisekal

    Agreed. That is what I am doing. I don’t wait until the blue light goes out.

  • irinaionina

    Of cause, Emil, you got lucky, there is no doubt about it; clearly my car has a problem from the very beginning it was new; and even if you google this problem you will see how common it is with Subaru, there is a huge law suite going on right now; its just company doesn’t admit it for a reason there are too many cases; something with the engine construction they say; a question now for me is do i wanna get another new forester and take my chances? from one side i like a car very much for all other features; but i don’t want this problem again; not to mention that during both of my big trips to Florida and Quebec city i had to visit station twice to fill in the oil; now it eats it every 1500-2000 miles as i said, using the same synthetic oil; i think that i will switch to toyota ; i did have 3 toyotas before, never had any problem; sad though

  • Emil Wisekal

    I am very sorry for you and other people who have this problem. I don’t buy Fords or Chryslers any more because of problems I’ve had with their new cars and vans.

    Have you tried to have your Forester returned or repaired under the “Lemon Law”? Or is that not possible with a lease?

  • Billiebob

    I own a 2015 Outback 25.i 13000 miles and it goes through 1 1/2 quarts of oil every 6000 mile. SOA says this normal. Never again, Subaru may be safe and all the other crap they throw at you, I should gotten the CRV instead

  • c_hack

    My family has owned multiple Subarus since 1985. None have ever burned oil, Between all our Subarus we have logged at least a million miles. The only problems we’ve run into has been rust (back in the 80s) and several failed water pumps on older cars.

    I think its much more likely that those that have problems are much more vocal.

    Its like when I was researching Honda CR-Vs. Those forums are full of people who have had to replace their A/C systems multiple times, or have had such bad shuddering they were afraid to drive their cars.

    No car is perfect.

  • Bob

    Okay let’s put this all in perspective folks! Only specific engines are burning more oil and it’s more than just Subaru. Its Audi Porsche & BMW as well. Warming up the car can be beneficial but remember engines were designed for a load. When they free spin or are in low gears they wear quicker. Reving out your car in neutral or park is really bad! The problem is the metallurgy of the rings. Manufacturers have cut corners on some models. The rings are not seating or wearing properly. This is a physical issue that can only be repaired by replacing the Rings ( an engine block issue) and making sure that the cylinder walls can handle the thousands of revolutions per minute. You must understand, the car manufacturers have to keep cutting corners to make profit or what they think is profit and we really don’t matter. They’d rather beg for forgiveness than upset their shareholders. I truly believe after 07 cars got crappy! We have an 06 Honda CRV and in 05 Dodge Ram 3500
    ( both stick shifts). What makes these vehicles so good is first of all they have standard transmissions which have less parts than an automatic ( less parts less problems). Our Honda was made in Japan where they have pride, and the Dodge is a Daimler dodge, the best of Mercedes and Dodge combined. Once those companies split, dependable power plant competition ended and car manufacturers started focusing on things like Bluetooth, fancy lights inside your your car ect. including key issues like collision avoidance and other things to cater to people who don’t pay attention while driving. A typical example; who drives a stick anymore? all cars are becoming just go cars.
    A gas pedal, brake pedal, and a steering wheel. Oh and turn signals, there an option for the operator. We seem to be too busy stimulating ourselves and focus on texting holding the phone up to our ear putting on makeup or the such. When driving we should be paying attention to the road, and in my opinion, a stick forces you to be in the game and not an idiot on the road. It comes down to this, if you’re going to buy a car, “buyer beware”. Do your freaking homework, talk to other car owners. That’s what the is internets for. Finding out problems. If you don’t do your homework you’re going to get screwed!
    Wake Up America! Let’s stop worrying about how we look and start thinking about what we’re doing in life! Than maybe we can move forward smartly!!!! Good luck everyone!

  • Atown206

    CRV would be much smaller than the Outback though. roughly 7 inches in length and 2 inches in width. So if you don’t mind much less cargo space….

  • Atown206

    KBB.COM just awarded Subaru Highest Resale value. Plus if you check any of the major review sites, there’s a majority saying Honda is lacking in reliability lately.

  • Atown206

    Lol ya Subaru used the Forester to get rid of as many of those units as possible. Meantime offering the updated “Starlink” system in the other models. Which is a MUCH better and functional system.

  • Atown206

    Some customers are just starting the car and going. But the oil burning issue only effects a VERY low % of the engines but of course that’s what every one wants to talk about. Not the fact that If Subaru deems the oil consumption higher than whats normal that they’ll replace the engine under warranty….

  • Atown206

    If you are burning that much oil you should definitely take it to a Subaru dealership, they do perform tests, such as measuring the amount of oil you car has in it, they’ll change the oil and send you back on the road, after a few times they send that info to Subaru. That case sounds like it is burning more oil than normal (they say 1qt-1.5 qts per 6000 miles is normal). They’ll replace the engine under a warranty.

  • Atown206

    I don’t understand how gender got roped into this. lol

  • Atown206

    Anything above a base model has a power tilt adjustment, which raises the front of the seat to help prevent feeling like your sliding forward.

  • John Smith ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ ˢᵘᵖᵖᵒʳᵗᵉʳ

    Not for the passenger, though

  • RSJ

    I am in the market for a small SUV coming out of a Honda Civic. I am having a terrible time deciding between a 2016 CR-V, a 2016 Forester (or maybe the ’17 in a few weeks when they arrive) or the CX-5…I’ve driven them all more than once and still can’t decide. I have been a Honda driver for many years and never had a problem with one at all…flawless reliability – so its hard to switch brands. But I have two family members who have Foresters (both 2014’s) and they love them…although they’ve both had some minor reliability issues – power tailgate failed, front struts failed – all fixed under warranty. I also am leery of CVTs and have never owned a CVT automobile – concerned about long term reliability. A friend has a 2010 Subaru Outback that had the CVT fail at 120,000 miles but they did not keep up with maintenance so not sure that is Subaru’s fault. I like the CX-5 best for driving dynamics – what a blast to drive and no CVT! I like the Honda for comfort, quality feel, ingenious cargo folding seats and my long-term experience with Honda reliability and I like the Subaru for the most solid, well controlled handling and stellar safety record – what’s a guy to do!!??

  • RSJ

    Not true – the CR-V actually matches the “safety pick plus” rating of the Forester and bests the forester by one more star on frontal crash test.

  • blocked_five_times

    Very true. Forester is rated 5. Crv is rated 4. You have it backwards. The Subaru is one up.

  • AND YOU ARE A BULLSHIT!

  • Charlie E

    I have a 2013 crv with regular transmission and just bought a 2016 honda crv touring, both are awd. I traded in a 2008 honda civic that we owned since new. On the 2008 civic and 2013 crv -WE NEVER HAD A REPAIR NEEDED IN 150,000 COMBINED MILES!
    That’s why I bought another 2016 crv. It has CVT transmission, love it. I have had other cars with cvt as well, never had issues. All car manufacturers are going with cvt in the future. Honda has the best,like other parts in their cars.
    I also was looking at only one other vehicle, Subaru Forester. My brother,who has been a mechanic for over 30 years told me Honda makes a better vehicle.

  • Charlie e

    I traded in a 2008 Honda civic first a 2016 CRV Touring AWD- My car insurance went DOWN. Now that’s a 8 year old car that is worth 13,000 less.

  • blocked_five_times

    It may have something to do that the civic is the 2nd most stolen vehicle. That is probably why it went went down.

  • blocked_five_times

    Most likely because the civic is the 2nd most stolen car in the country

  • jambalyabones

    Nigs like it.