2016 Ford F-150 vs Ram 1500 EcoDiesel vs Chevy Silverado

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2016 Ford F-150 vs Ram 1500 EcoDiesel vs Chevy Silverado

The differences that set apart the performance of the modern crop of domestic half-ton pickup trucks are minuscule. 

Each will handle hard work and the strain of towing and hauling. But it isn’t about whether or not the work gets done, but rather how the work gets done, that separates one truck from the next. And it’s these small differences that can bring in customers with cash in hand.

In partnership with the Canadian Truck King Challenge, we gathered together the three domestic half-ton pickup trucks to pit them against one another in an effort to find those differences.

Like with every AutoGuide.com pickup truck test, this isn’t a beauty contest. Each one of the trucks was hooked up to a 6,000-pound trailer for a towing test, loaded with 1,000 lbs worth of payload in the bed and driven through a moderate off-road course to replicate real-world conditions (all in the pouring rain, as our photos will attest).

Another part of our testing includes hooking up a data recorder to the OBDII port of each pickup that accurately tracks fuel economy, while empty, towing and hauling.

Read on for the detailed fuel economy numbers and for our findings on each of the truck.


3rd Place: 2016 Chevrolet Silverado

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Just two years after a full redesign, Chevy is introducing a facelift for the Silverado in 2016. It mainly revamps the front end styling, but there are a few noteworthy changes that make the truck a bit better at getting work done.

The first is the availability of an eight-speed automatic transmission paired with the truck’s 5.3-liter V8. This transmission is also available on the larger 6.2-liter V8. A new set of powered running boards, which can pivot rearwards to act as a step to access cargo in the bed, are also now available.

So how does the Silverado handle hard labor? Even with the new eight-speed automatic, which improves the engine’s responsiveness, this truck has the lowest power output of the three and it’s obvious with weight behind it.

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This powertrain seems to be working the hardest of the group to get the weight going. It is fair to point out that there is also a 6.2-liter V8 available with 460 lb-ft of torque in the Silverado if you want more grunt, but even compared to the smaller Ford 2.7-liter EcoBoost engine or the Ram’s HEMI V8, the 5.3-liter feels lethargic. Furthermore, GM’s pickup transmissions have always felt reluctant to downshift, and this hasn’t changed. The request for more power is eventually met, but the truck seems geared towards keeping you in the highest gear possible if it can.

Handling the weight as the driver is made easy with the Silverado. The steering offers a fair amount of feedback and is progressively weighted, getting firmer the further you turn through a corner at speed. This allows the truck to be easily controllable at highway speeds with light inputs, while cornering is met with a heavier, more substantial feeling.

One of the things the Silverado does great is drowning noise out with a quiet and isolated cabin.

In practical everyday use, the Chevy has a few tricks up its sleeve. First is the rear bumper-integrated steps, which offer built-in steps that require no moving parts and no service. Lights in the bed and a variety of different mounting points for tie-down cleats are also handy.

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So how did the Chevy fare in fuel economy? Unfortunately, the Silverado showed up late to the event, so the empty fuel economy was not logged. With 1,000 lbs of payload in the bed, the truck managed an average of 19.6 mpg, while towing a 6,000-lb trailer brought fuel economy down to 13.5 mpg. It’s also worth mentioning that the other vehicles in the competition varied less than 1 mpg when hauling payload, so the 19.6 mpg figure is likely very close to the Silverado’s empty driving figure.

A comfortable cruising worker, the Silverado does everything well, but with this competitive set, doing jobs “well” isn’t quite good enough to cut it.

Fast Facts:

  • Engine: 5.3L V8 with 355 hp and 383 lb-ft of torque
  • Transmission: Eight-speed automatic.
  • US Pricing: Starts at $28,090. As tested $53,000
  • CDN Pricing: Starts at $28,780. As tested $60,300
  • EPA Fuel Economy: 16 mpg city, 21 mpg highway
  • CDN Fuel Economy: Not yet rated
LOVE IT

  • Quiet cabin
  • Smooth ride
  • Bumper step
LEAVE IT

  • Fuel economy
  • Transmission
  • Power

2nd Place: Ford F-150

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Our Ford F-150 was fitted with the top-dog 3.5-liter EcoBoost turbocharged V6 and was fully loaded in Platinum trim.

Ford’s half-ton is a mix of a potent powertrain and some very well thought out gadgets and tools that make the truck more useful than just a simple tow vehicle. You need only use the mirror-mounted spotlights while working at night or the trailer light check status that appears in the driver’s info cluster when you’re working alone to see what I mean. And loading and unloading cargo from the bed is simplified by the best bed step available, which only takes seconds to be fully deployed from its hiding place in the tailgate.

Inside, the F-150 doesn’t seem quite as posh as the Ram or as well laid out as the Silverado, though that is mostly a personal preference, as getting to everything you need is easy and intuitive. The seats are comfortable and this remains the only truck you can get with a massage feature built into the seats, a great feature for those commuting home after a long day of labor-intensive work.

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Getting this truck out on the road is a surefire way to forget about any gripes with the interior. The 3.5-liter EcoBoost seems to get stronger and smoother each year, despite its power numbers remaining the same. With nothing hitched to the back, this truck surges forward when the accelerator is hit, while a 6,000-lb concrete block in the bed did little to hinder its performance, still pulling up to highway speeds quickly.

Pulling the weight is no issue for the F-150, which has the strongest-feeling powertrain of the bunch. It’s in handling the weight that things change a bit.

The steering in the F-150 is quite light, too much so to make the truck feel overly confident or planted. Its suspension can also feel a little jittery, even with weight on the back. Now, this isn’t to say that the truck feels like it isn’t in control of the weight, but when a competition is so close, these small details in ride and drive matter.

While cruising empty, the F-150 also has the harshest ride of the three competitors.

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Fuel economy for the F-150 was measured at 21 mpg empty, 19.8 mpg with 1,000 lbs of payload, and 15.1 mpg with a 6,000-lb trailer hitched to the rear. Those numbers are enough to trounce the Silverado, while providing the fastest acceleration and what feels like the most power of the three engines.

The new F-150 is a capable work truck with plenty of handy features that can be extremely helpful when you’re working. Its big EcoBoost engine is also a winner, providing ultra-smooth low-end torque and heaps of power. Really, this truck is let down by its light, numb steering and its rear end suspension setup.

Fast Facts:

  • Engine: 3.5L Turbocharged V6 with 365 hp and 420 lb-ft of torque
  • Transmission: Six-speed automatic
  • US Pricing: Starts at $26,030. As tested $55,800
  • CDN Pricing: Starts at $32,799. As tested $64,800
  • EPA Fuel Economy: 15 mpg city, 20 mpg highway
  • CDN Fuel Economy: 14.2L/100km city, 10.4L/100km highway
LOVE IT

  • Power
  • Mirror spotlights
  • Bed step
LEAVE IT

  • Ride
  • Steering

1st Place: Ram 1500

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Ram continues to be the only manufacturer to currently offer a diesel engine in a half-ton pickup truck, and it continues to be the strongest package of the bunch. Nissan is looking to take away a bit of Ram’s market share with its upcoming Titan XD (although that is a class 2b, or 2500 truck), which is also a diesel-powered half-ton, but for now, FCA owns that market.

With its 3.0-liter V6 turbocharged diesel and air suspension system, Ram offers the ideal package for anyone looking to tow. But it isn’t just performance that the Ram has on lockdown.

Inside, the design and materials used are top notch, not only pleasing the eyes but also the hands. Functionally, everything is well laid out, though the rotary shift knob gear selector takes some getting used to. For in-dash infotainment and information, the Ram does it best, with Uconnect providing a lag-free, easy to operate user interface. Chevy’s MyLink system is not far behind, while the F-150 falls short with MyFordTouch. Luckily, that system will soon be all gone.

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For rear seat storage, the Ram is second best. The F-150 offers a totally flat, cavernous rear floor, while the Chevy still has a pesky hump right in the middle, making stowing stuff in the back seat more of a hassle. Ram has devised a system of fold-out platforms that convert the rear floor into a flat floor, which is a decent solution, though the platforms can get in the way and are a bit flimsy.

What makes the Ram 1500 the best then? It’s all about how it drives and tows. The EcoDiesel doesn’t break a sweat while towing, getting the trailer moving and up to highway speeds without hesitation. The 3.5L EcoBoost may do it a little faster, but the Ram does the deed with less drama and a sense of relaxation that makes towing with it so much less stressful.

Best of all is the suspension system, which actively levels the rear end to help the truck ride flat and smooth. Imperfections in the road are soaked up by the air suspension, and the truck never gets out of sorts like the F-150 can. To complement this suspension is a heavily weighted steering wheel, which makes this truck feel stuck to the ground and robust.

Simply put, the Ram drives big and heavy. It pushes through corners and takes some effort to steer at low speeds, unlike the more lithe feeling F-150 which tucks into corners quite nicely, though it has that numb steering. In my books, the Ram’s big heavy feeling provides pure pickup truck confidence to the driver.

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Fuel economy for this diesel, as can be expected with this alternative fuel source, is wonderful. In our time with the truck, the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel managed 26.5 mpg while driving empty, 27.3 mpg with 1,000 lbs of payload (the increase in fuel economy with payload can be chalked up to drivers having a lighter foot when transporting weight), and 19.7 mpg with a trailer hooked up.

That means that with 6,000 lbs hanging from the rear hitch, the EcoDiesel is getting the same fuel economy as the other trucks when they were hauling payload. That is a significant difference that proves to be one of the factors that makes this EcoDiesel so compelling.

It sips fuel, feels the best with a trailer and has a gorgeous, well thought out interior. Most of all, the sensation of being rooted to the pavement always brings me back to the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel as the best of half-ton bunch.

Fast Facts:

  • Engine: 3.0-liter diesel V6 with 240 hp and 420 lb-ft of torque
  • Transmission: Eight-speed automatic
  • US Pricing: EcoDiesel starts at $32,935. As tested $54,000
  • CDN Pricing: EcoDiesel starts at $41,300. As tested $55,000
  • EPA Fuel Economy: 19 mpg city, 27 mpg highway
  • CDN Fuel Economy: 12.1L/100km city, 8.8L/100km highway
LOVE IT

  • Diesel power
  • Confident ride
  • Fuel economy
LEAVE IT

  • No bed step
  • High entry cost
  • Matsal

    You should take in consideration the maintenece costs….

  • Roy

    What about the tow/haul mode that GM trucks have on there trannies? Not sure about the other brands but having this on my last and present GM truck certainly makes a difference when towing. O

  • Jack

    I think we deserve to see some of that diesel power here…how about some hard numbers huh?

    oh yes…you don’t want to show them. So here, let me help you…

    Ram 1500 ‘Diesel Power’:

    Zero to 60 mph: 9.0 sec
    Zero to 100 mph: 30.7 sec
    Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 9.3 sec
    Standing ¼-mile: 16.9 sec @ 81 mph

    Ford F150 2.7 Ecoboost

    Zero to 60 mph: 5.7 sec
    Zero to 100 mph: 16.1 sec
    Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.4 sec
    Standing ¼-mile: 14.3 sec @ 95 mph

    now can you imagine what happens after you start towing a 7000lbs trailer in that RAM? Yup…it will go as fast as a Toyota Prius! LOL…so much for ‘Diesel Power’ and torque…

  • Frank Yoster

    Love u Ram! FCA U ROCK!!!!

  • Robertson Glassford

    Trouble with the top 2 finishers is that you are also getting Ford and Fiat-Chrysler “quality” …… and this problem goes back decades, but recently too …. GM quality tends to be under Honda/Toyota but consistently better than the other 2.

  • Dan

    What a stupid article. You can’t throw fuel economy in the rating equation if the variables aren’t the same. “Silverado showed up late to the event, so the empty fuel economy was not logged”.

    They should have simply post the economy from the test on a side legend. Then stated the info is just for there for those who want the info, and leave that out of the positive/negative bit of the results. Damn amateurs.

  • TAF

    I can my Rams have been top notch while GM’s in our company have been anything but!

  • TAF

    Allpar did that quite well showing it break evens with the HEMI in 3 years. Also resale is much much higher. So…what was your point?

  • TAF

    They all have it.

  • TAF

    Yet the Ram is always touted as the better towing truck via driving and handling of the load. See MT and C&D as well for the same results. If you want to drag race you bought the wrong vehicle.

  • Jeff T

    Comparing personal vehicles to company vehicles isn’t fair. One is driven significantly harder.

  • Larrry

    Negative on Ram in the quick summary noted “High Entry Cost” which is usually a reaction (cheap journalistic shot) to the diesel being a $4000 option. But in the same article “Price as tested” Ram $54,000, F150 $55800, and Silverado $53,000. So just where is this ‘high entry cost’ that was not noted on the others. Now let’s talk about re-sale value – the #1 sold F150 flooding the resale market, the harder to find Ram diesel (higher sales in the hemi) with it’s performance, or the Silverado with it’s performance compromises noted in the article.

  • Helgaiden

    Very disappointed that the Colorado or Canyon diesels were not included in this comparison considering the tested payload and tow weights are well within midsize truck capabilities.

  • Frank Yoster

    Dude those small trucks dont match the category in this test! These are full size trucks that two 10k or more ….the colorado and canyon are in the tacoma and frontier level..but jeeps coming out with a mid size truck and its gonna own all of them!;)

  • Frank Yoster

    Actually no..the silverado is refreshed and new…and GM just hasnt stepped up their game like Ford and Ram do…and having a 8 spd on a 6.2 engine only…thats terrible offering!

  • Frank Yoster

    Id rather have a diesal then a turbo charge..Ram is smart!

  • Maddox

    Where would they get the money to step up their game? I wouldn’t dream of buying anything from GM, they sold out to the broken unions and took money from the devil to pay the same worthless CEO’s for more of the same, not sure why anyone would be surprised.

    Dodge is the best option if you can swing the price but the F-150 is a desirable option. Chevy is left with shallow brand loyalists who refuse to consider any other brand, all this coming from someone who until last year, considered nothing but a Tundra. I’ll never consider another Tundra until that beige truck get’s a diesel. The only thing Toyota has up its sleeve is metal that refuses to rust and that’s getting old.

    I will be looking at the Ram Diesel next year, I’ve had my eye on it since the EcoDiesel was first introduced. Looking for something that’s drives as bold as it looks.

  • Maddox

    Not sure where you pulled that out of… GM has had nothing good to show for all the money they’ve wasted on development. Ford has rebuilt their entire lineup including hiring designers and engineers who’ve brought the brand from the middle ages. Let’s not forget who took a bailout to pay for more of the same ole’ same.

    GM has nothing to offer to the consumer and is plagued by the shallow reviews of brand loyalists. People who can’t consider something else because somehow they think that GM is “patriotic”.. Nothing says patriotic like failure.. That’s not what America is about.

    Dodge has brought another option to the market where there was relatively little desire. The diesel market should be just as big as the petrol market is, especially in the half ton arena. The only reason its not is because the average American looks at diesel as a statement and not a tool even though the diesel engine is a staple of the working man. That and a lot of ignorance about diesel vs petrol.

  • Maddox

    Irrelevant. Dodge holds out far better then any GM we’ve had. Are you unwilling to admit that these trucks aren’t built to drive snotty kids back and forth from school? Maybe the general public forgets that trucks are built to work. You want something they’ll be driven lightly, get a corolla. Gm failed before they ever succeeded. Chevy is a brand that’s barely alive and for good reason, they make garbage.

    The only thing they’ve got going for them is the Corvette and everyone seems to ignore that the Corvette is being engineered in Germany and sold in the US. The LS engine is a solid block too but other than those two, Chevy is irrelevant. Should have been allowed to fail, maybe we would get something worthy of a phoenix, instead we get rubbish. Just another crow..

  • Maddox

    Remember that kid in school that had a pet rock? He bore the Chevy brand.. Remember that kid in school that lead a flock? He bore the Ram brand.

    Dodge is a working mans truck. Chevy is at a standstill, like a rock. The only time Chevy is moving anywhere is if its rolling downhill which seems to be the Chevy theme lately.

  • Maddox

    I think you are sadly mistaken about the uses for diesel vs petrol. You should look at those numbers again and consider that were not talking about a mustang vs charger, were talking about work trucks where 0-60 and 0-100 are as irrelevant.

    Both trucks put down 420ft-lb of torque to the wheels when towing and that’s all that matters because these are work trucks. You want fast, get a Raptor or the Rebel from your preferred seller and then you can talk 0-60 times.

    Fact is that the RAM diesel does the same work with a smaller engine which translates to higher efficiency and that’s desirable. Not to mention that I can attest that the RAM is a much more refined ride as far as trucks are concerned. Resale value is a big factor and the EcoDiesel is desirable. The future of American cars is Diesel, assuming America will ever step into the future. Europe is way ahead when it comes to petrol vs diesel.

  • Cliff Nunya

    I just can’t forgive decades of heinous build quality in the Dodge. They even tried changing their name to Ram to make us forget about that.
    They have gotten much better lately, so I will try to forget their disgraceful past.
    When the Tundra comes out with the 5.0 Cummins next year, it will be in a high class all by itself.

  • Cliff Nunya

    Points well made. I am a GM guy, and am disgusted at the 1999 technology of the 5.3. 17 years later, they have been lazy with powerplant development.
    Ram is giving the public what they want, and improving their quality, and that is a formula for success.

  • Cliff Nunya

    Correct!
    The Ram will go up a hill under a load faster than either gasser. It is a work horse, not necessarily a sprinter. And the fuel economy while towing is 30% better.

  • TAF

    That isn’t why they changed the name to Ram. Gen II Ram’s had transmission issues with the 46RE and it’s paper clutches. Also using only ATF+4 with a specific formula was a bad move as many ignored the high cost and went with a more conventional atf to only have more transmissions fail. My fleet has consisted of a 97, 99, 03, 06 (still have it), 10, 14, and 15 (also have this one currently). Only my 97 was truly bad in terms of the 46RE and steering. Rest of it lasted upwards of 100K and more without little issues or major ones.

    The Titan XD is a class of its own and it will fail in my opinion. They priced themselves at 3/4 ton with 1/2 ton capabilities. After the first 3-6 months of newness it will go back to a sales failure.

  • Maddox

    Not to mention that the one this that GM has given us the LS block, we know they know how to make a good engine. They just aren’t growing and that’s worrisome.

  • Mitchell

    Haha the ford “trounced” the Chevy in fuel economy with a .2 difference. Biased writers maybe? Proud to be a Chevy guy by the way. Have a 14 and you couldn’t pay me to switch. Everyone I know who has a ford complains about it. Poor ride, poor real world mpg, poor reliability. Father in laws newer f150 won’t even start at 35,000 miles. You ford guys can bash on Chevy all you want but after everyone in my family has had their trucks actually last (my dads 2003 diesel hd had well over 250,000 miles on it and not a single thing fixed in it) no way I will switch. If my 14 doesn’t make it past 200,000 miles before I need to work on it then I’ll consider it, but I wouldn’t count on it haha

  • Mitchell

    Ford tried getting the bailout also but had already sold out to too many lenders. But facts don’t actually mean anything in an Internet rant now do they?

  • Mitchell

    I suppose Chevy and GMC combining to outsell ford is “barely surviving”. It’s guys like you that are embarrassing. No actual logic just a puffed out chest saying my truck is better!

  • Mitchell

    Yeah if you enjoy having it in the shop every month for recalls! A guy at work was just telling me how horrible his ram diesel is. Love my Chevy though! Best 0-60 times and it will last! Can’t beat that. Unless you ignore facts and just trust brand loyalty…

  • TAF

    Ram has had 1 recall for the current generation and it was for uConnect and hacking. That is it. Ram RT has the best 0-60. You don’t fact check well do you?

  • TAF

    Well according to your last 4 posts on here everyone hates everything but GM products that you know. I am going with bs on your part and probably a child of 13 maybe 14. You then call out biased writers as you ironically bias post.

  • TAF

    Be careful throwing those mighty rocks in your glass house. You also are ignoring facts and posting wildly in in favor of GM while saying everyone else is being a biased poster.

  • TAF

    That is exactly what you are doing yourself. Pot meet kettle.

  • Mitchell

    2015 ram recalls : seatbelt issues, airbag issues( go off when slamming door too hard), rear axel issues. Just one huh? Internet searches are too difficult right?

    Oh yeah and take their special edition truck haha. How about you check out the 6.2 0-60 times. 5.4 stock. That is an actual production truck. That is actual fact checking my friend!

  • Mitchell

    You know what I will give you that it is opinion based on life experience. That is not at all scientific and I will accept that. But that is life TAF. I am actually 29 with all of my references coming from people over the age of 45. I’m not taking about 2 Ford guys having issues. This is 10+ who have had issues.

    I honestly don’t hate ford or ram. I think ford has shaken up the industry quite well. I don’t however trust taking a small engine, slapping turbos on it and dropping it in a large truck. I think there is ample evidence to show this is a realability nightmare. Not to mention that the real world mpg is nothing close to what ford claims. This is based on ford chat room forums and my references from before.

    I do love the ram hemi. But I hate the transmissions they are paired with. That is an issue with all of the brands under the fiat-Chrysler family though. Jeep is notorious for transmission issues.

    The fact is that I own a 14 Silverado and I love every aspect of it. From the touch screen working flawlessly for me to the amount of power I will not complain. I only have what those around me have to say about their trucks and the ford guys hate theirs. I don’t mean dislike parts of it. I mean they hate their trucks. It may just be me but if I spent $40k on a new truck and hated it there is not a possibility I would buy another from the same brand. I guess I just wonder why they keep putting themselves through the pain.

  • Mitchell

    All I said was that claiming a truck that is barely surging better mean their sales are small and diminishing. That is anything but the case with Adam and the facts prove it. I am all for having a fair debate here but you can’t make claims that are no where near the truth and expect me to continue with this.

  • TAF

    TL;DR – you’re trying to hard now. Don’t believe you!

  • Maddox

    Do you have proof that Ford tried to take a bailout? Last I checked, Ford turned down bailouts. Sold out to lenders or interests? When your company is run by interest holders, that’s a different story. Tell me again how the GM stock is doing? To be fair though, make a believer out of me, show me your facts so I can make a better decision otherwise you’re just internet ranting..

  • Maddox

    You sound butt hurt because I dropped a few facts on your failing company. If GM was worth their pennies, they wouldn’t have needed a bailout. Their cars are trash and their company is run by mobsters, yesterday and today.. Nothing has changed so why should we assume that their quality has? Like I said, just more of the same ol’ same.

  • Jeff T

    We don’t use half tonnes at work because their payload capacity isn’t meant for commercial use so I don’t really think half tonne trucks should be built, designed, and packaged for residential use.

  • Brian Stewart

    Dude, the 8 speed in the Ram is simply one of the best transmissions out there PERIOD. I have experieince with it in a 15 Challenger and Charger and a 14 Ram Hemi and it performed wonderfully in each case.

    Oh, also in my brother’s 11 Audi A5 which has the same ZF 8 speed behind the 2.0T. I have a 99 Silverado and 2 Dakotas (04 4×4 and 01 2wd Motorsports). I love both brands, but the Ram is simply a fantastic truck.

  • Brian Stewart

    My akotas with 161k and 300k and still running great say yiou are full of it. they doing better than my 99 Z71 with 200k miles and I just sold my 97 F150 for parts because it was literally rusting away (frame issued with the Z71 too, but the Dodge frames are still in perfect shape). Also, it is the Titan, not the Tundra that is getting the 5.0 Cummins and tests show where it is so heavy acceleration, etc, is worse than the Ecodiesel……

  • Brian Stewart

    Mitchell, you are so full of crap I can smell you from here. You make me ashamed to own a Silverado.

  • Brian Stewart

    The Ram R/T would actually not be the quickest Ram because of the heavy wheels. It still does around 5.2 0-60 AND it doesn’t have to have 4×4 to do it. Quickest should be a tradesman 2wd Hemi RC wih the 3.92 axle and limited slip diff. You also don’t have to spend 45k to get into the quickest fullsize truck……….

  • Mitchell

    You see I find that amusing. Consumer reports listed the Dodge brand as third to last for reliability. It sites the ram as having a clunky transmission.

    Auto guide has the same reports. Yahoo autos also ranked them second to last only to fiat. Jeep was third last in that one. Might just be me but I’m seeing a pattern with FCA.

    But no you are right I’m full of crap. I guess so is auto guide, consumer reports, yahoo auto, us news, jd power I think you get the point…

  • Brian Stewart

    You do realize this is the same exact transmission used by makers such as Audi and Jag, right? I have NEVER had an issue with a clunky transmission with the 8 speed, EVER. Cobnsumer reports and JD power are a Joke. Everyone I know who has purchased a new GM car, and to a worse extent, a new Ford in the last few years have had issues. The Mopar issues are few and far between though. Hell, my 07 Patriot I bought new needed a speaker replaced under warranty, that is it and I had it from 300 miles to 126000 miles.

  • Mitchell

    I didn’t know Audi and Jag made a truck…

    So I suppose you can take the transmission from any vehicle and drop it in another and it will perform the same? I don’t think so.

    I feel like this has spiraled here and it’s off on a tangent. My first pint was that GM is anything but failing right now. Did they have problems 5 years ago? Of course they did.

    You honestly can’t sit there and tell me that Jeep is a reliable vehicle. Any research will show you that it’s one of the worst companies. A friend of mine had to replace a transmission on a grand Cherokee after 7,000 miles. Maybe it was a lemon.

    So if all of these online reports are untrustworthy then we can only go on personal experience. I personally haven’t had much experience with Ram. I prefer Ram over Ford anyday but not over Chevy. That is just my opinion.

    If Ram has served you well then that’s awesome. What baffles me is that after my father in law complained about his fords and how he had to replace the transmission twice before 200,000(super duty) he goes out and buys another Ford. He then has issues with his f150 after just 40,000 miles. Why keep buying the same thing then?

    My family has run Silverados my whole life. We have never had any issues with them. Other people may have different experiences. If my truck doesn’t make it 150,000+ before I have to touch it then I will be looking for a new brand myself. I don’t think I will have to worry about that though.

    I apologize for anything I have said that was rude. It’s not my intent. Nothing like truck wars to get men all worked up huh?

  • Brian Stewart

    You aren’t that bright. There is no rule that a transmission in a truck can only be used in a truck,. It is the same ZF transmission in many Jags, Audis, FCA products and many more. To blow your mind a little more, the 9 speed auto in the 200 is the same as the Cherokee and OH MY, the Acura TLX V6 and Honda Pilot Ellite too! And also the Range Rover Evoque and Discovery Sport. What? Sheesh, you dig a bigger hole on every post you make. And yes, i have had multiple jeeps, Mopar products, Ford and GMs. the Mopar/Jeeps have actually been the most reliable, GM second, and Ford 3rd. Believing websites like Consumer reports is your problem. They have been caught in WAY to many scandals such as giving Toyotas top marks automatically, taking 2 exact vehicles (Prism and Corolla or example) and giving one version top ratings and the other bottom ratings even though the only difference is the badge. And if ou actually read them anyway you would know the Patriot and Compass are actually rated ABOVE AVERAGE for Reliability by CR. Dig, dig, dig…..

  • Mitchell

    I hail king Brian! My bad bro you are correct I know nothing. Just everyone I know having issues with Jeeps. But that’s all made up right? Oh yeah and Land Rover is terrible too. But I’m sure you have an excuse for that also.

    It’s one thing if you want to have a discussion. It’s a totally different beast of you are just going to name call to prove your point. But I suppose if that’s your defense mechanism just go with it…

  • Brian Stewart

    What year and model jeeps?

  • Mitchell

    13 on up

  • Mitchell

    GC mainly

  • Mitchell

    Had an older wrangler can’t remember the year but it was in the shop more than I drove it

  • Brian Stewart

    13s had the old Mercedes sourced 5 speed. They didn’t start using the 8 speed until the 14 MCE.

  • Brian Stewart

    WHat kind of issues on that Wrangler? Their powertrains are generally stout, a least the 12+with the Pentastar and pre-07s with he 4.0 I6.

  • Mitchell

    I do feel like Ram has made huge strides the past few years. I love the look of the Jeeps. Especially the GC. Absolutely beautiful machine. And if they have worked out the kinks as any new redesign has I’m sure it is an amazing machine. It just really put me off that my friend has to drop in a new tranny before 10,000 miles on a 15. But like I said it could just be a defective part. Out of hundreds of thousands of vehicles I suppose it is possible to have a few bad apples.

    It does sound like you still respect Chevy though. I can at least point out some positives for Ram and Jeep then

  • Brian Stewart

    I am a Mopar/Chevy guy. My 2 “wish i could have kept” vehicles are my 84 S-10 with a 355/TH400 and my 96 Caprice B4U with the (90s) LT1.

  • TAF

    I had an Express Ram with the 3.92 and LSD. It wasn’t as quick as the Ram RT. Almost but not quite.

  • Brian Stewart

    Wonder why? I know the R/T has the 3.92s with the 8 speed auto where i used to have 4.10s with the 5/6 speed. Does it have a different tune/intake? It seems it may have now that I think about it?

  • Mitchell

    I am newer to the world of performance but I know my dad had a 95-96 lumina. I don’t think it was called a lt1 or just an SS but it was one hell of a car. I am partial to the 8.1 that we had in our Yukon xl. I do wish I would have gotten the 6.2 in my Silverado but I guess it’s just something to look forward to in the next one

  • Brian Stewart

    Sounds like it may have had the 3.4 DOHC V6. Good mill with good power, but not the most reliable engine made. They switched to the 3800 series 2 in either 97 or 98 an it was available in the LS and LTZ (kind of looked like a 94-96 impala SS treatment). 3800 series 2 is one of he best engines ever made IMHO. They o forever and got excellent FE. Great low end torque, but a little lacking on the op end. My parents have a 00 Regal LS with a 3800, I would say it has 200k miles on it now. I had a grand price GTP, 00 model too, with the supercharged series 2. A few modifications and that sucker pulled a couple 13 second passes in he 1/4 mile.

  • Mitchell

    I stand corrected Brian. You know a lot more than I gave you credit for. A hell of a lot more than myself! Thank you for the lessons. And that is not sarcasm.

  • Brian Stewart

    It’s cool, may have gotten off on the wrong foot.

  • yellowdogdemocrat

    I think it’s a shame that FCA went with the little Italian V6 diesel rather than the new Cummins 5.0 V8 which gave Nissan the chance to get it and they wasted no time in signing the deal. The Titan diesel will tow over 12,000lbs which none of these trucks will do.

  • TAF

    Reid Biglang (that is his name right?) left Ram to go to Nissan taking a lot of shit with him. Sad to see that happen. The Cummins 5.0 was built for Ram first and foremost. Shit happens. The Titan XD is already over priced and inside 3/4 area where it falls short. It has an identity crisis on its hands.

  • yellowdogdemocrat

    “Bigland” I agree with you on the pricing plus its huge weight disadvantage vs these trucks and the Titan’s interior is really tacky so the reviewers say. If I wanted a truck that could tow 12,000lbs i would go with the Ram 2500 and the HO Cummins which makes 385hp/900lbft tq. I’ve owned two 3rd gen Ram diesels and they were the best trucks I ever owned.

  • Maddox

    I would agree with that. Then again, the average American buys a “truck” just because they can. An entry level truck costs barely more then a mid level sedan so why not? The truck category has been skewed by the average prissy stay at home dad who buys a truck to try and find some new meaning in life. A real work truck is hard to find and typically carries a higher price then its “work truck” siblings. That’s the reason why Dodge and Ford and Chevy have a commercial page not associated with their consumer page.

  • stingray

    Silverado champs!

  • Jack

    I have a heavy foot and get what Ford says. I think your data is flawed. I have family that has Chevy and dodge as well and it doesn’t match Ford. Especially with all the Chevy recalls. Had a friend who almost wrecked because his Chevy decided to turn left as he was steering straight. Don’t believe you one bit. I don’t think anyone will.

  • nam

    Different reviewers can review the same trucks and come up with different results. It all needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Brand loyalists will buy their brand regardless and believe it is the best regardless. If you are not brand loyal then you will probably look for the truck that best suits your needs whether that be best fuel economy , highest payload , highest towing , fastest , what happens to be the best price available which varies greatly depending on time of year , location , incentives. I have owned to Rams both with the 5.7L Hemi. This is a great engine. My second Ram had the 8 speed transmission. I loved the 8 speed transmission. I had no problems with either truck. I think Ram has a great product. I used to tow a travel trailer so the Ram was certainly up to the task . I no longer tow any great weights so when I was shopping for my next truck the most important factor to me was fuel economy and what I could currently get the best price on. The Ram Ecodiesel was certainly on my list but couldn’t find one at a reasonable price. Also on my list was the Ram 3.6L Pentastar , GMC Sierra 4.3L and F150 2.7L Ecoboost. I got a killer deal on a F150 2.7L EcoBoost Supercrew XLT with the 302A equipment package and optioned with the FX4 and XTR packages. Most of my current driving is city so the mileage I am getting with this truck is phenomenal . The 2.7L is also plenty fast and sure has get up and go. I find the ride at least as good if not better than my Ram with 4 corner air suspension. I am extremely happy with this truck and I can still tow well over 7000 lbs if the need should arise. I think all 3 brands have good qualities depending on what you are looking for. The 2.7L engine uses CGI just like the Powerstroke diesels do. I am not at all concerned with reliability. Ford knows turbo engines and this is one great little engine. Turbos are not new technology. I had a turbo Pontiac back in the 80s that people said would never last. That car went a good 12 years or more before I sold it without so much as a hiccup. As for recalls , all 3 brands have had recalls at one time or another. I can’t brand bash because I really don’t think you could go wrong with any of the 3. Again , it boils down to what you want and/or brand loyalty. Just my 2 cents

  • bobwegotababyitsaboy

    I own all three brands, my 2000 dodge 1500 has 400k (original engine ), my f150 has 178k and my Tahoe has 80k all work hard and run well with basic maintenance. Personally my Chevy is very comfortable and my ford handles work better. I have 3 friends with the Duramax that had to replace injectors right at 100k my 2 Utilimaster trucks ( E350 base ) have over 230k each on original engines and injectors. So basically doing oil changes and maintaining your truck takes you further down the road.

  • Kornatoski

    Beats me … I drove all three before deciding on the RAM 1500 CrewCab EcoDiesel (in the “Outdoorsman” flavor) … why? … Ford and GM somehow have magically removed any “truck character” from theirs’ …. read this as generally boring) … yes we all know F-150EB is faster than the EcoDiesel …. but it’s only faster once the turbos spool up, around town at light throttle the F-150 seems a little non-responsive unlike the EcoD)… besides it has leaf-springs LOL…

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  • David Raymond

    Yeah they also have the worst acid rain ravaged lakes from their use of older diesel tech good going Europe.

  • David Raymond

    I think that is the major problem with Ram they have historically had lots of consumer complaints which is unfortunate. Also give me a locking rear axlet or it isn’the a real 4×4 my freaking Honda Pilot even has that feature. From what I have researched the G80 in the Silverado is the best.

  • Derrick

    Thanks Gents for all the added comments! Besides the facts that were
    mentioned this was great! Maddox to me seem to have the facts correct
    on lots of things. I had a 2009 Silverado, but Dodge RAM has come alive
    in 2013.

    Mitchell Ford never took any bailouts they just
    raised their prices so they didn’t have to receive government funds, and
    Ford seems to still do very well.

    The old saying
    goes “If it is not broke then why fix it?” I guess Chevy (GM) doesn’t
    want to engineer or look at engineering a new engine because its doing
    what it is supposed to do. Each year though I always want to see if
    they are coming out with a new one to compete with other brands as far
    as more performance is concerned.

    Me personally
    loved my Silverado and I used it often for towing and hauling whatever I
    needed to. I never had any issues with towing my 1964 Chevy Impala
    from Texas to Georgia. The gas mileage was great and I never lost any
    power. I used the tow button that was designed in my truck.

    For
    whoever said that the Chevy only has the 8 speed auto trans was not
    reading the article, but it is offered in the 5.3 as well.

    Good
    day gents and good luck at whatever you choose! But “nam” and Maddox to
    me have correct information and can back up the talk here. If anyone
    has used all the brands before then certainly they can tell you from
    their use what they see.

    In the end buying
    vehicles is a process along with trial & error. Like a box of
    chocolates too, “you don’t know what you will get until you try it” or
    put it to YOUR OWN TEST, because my use is not my neighbors use and each
    brand is built differently!

  • northlander

    The mighty 3.5 ecoboost makes the G M 5.3 look like the dog it is .

  • Mitchell

    I just spit out my beer in laughter. Funny that every review has the 5.3 beating it 0-60…

  • northlander

    I didnt know we bought pick up trucks for drag racing ….now clean up that beer and go to your room.

  • Mitchell

    Lol haven’t encountered something I can’t tow that needed to yet. The shame that’s on you ford guys face when I destroy ya off the line is priceless though. Oh yeah and that’s a turbo boosted v6 but details escape you ford guys.

  • Wavshrdr

    Good write up. I read this after driving all 3 truck myself and generally I agree with what was written. I was in the market for a 1/2 ton truck. I was definitely predisposed toward Ford as I have 2 Fords in the garage and one of them with the 3.5L Ecoboost motor or as my kids like to call it the “Egoboost”. That motor has been reliable as heck and we’ve owned it for over 5 years and driven across the US from North to South and East to West and back several times already in our Flex.

    Even though was heaving leaning toward the Ford when laying out the kind of money these top of the line trucks cost you want to measure twice and cut once. I drove the Chevy first and honestly it did nothing for me. I did like the integrated steps on the bumper and interior wasn’t bad. I couldn’t get past the anemic motor and the ugly exterior. It tries to come off macho but just looks cartoonish to me with its fender flares.

    Next up was the Ram Ecodiesel Laramie. I was saving the best for last (Ford). Drove the EcoD and came away amazed how good the truck was. The infotainment system was quick, responsive and intuitive. Compared the the Ford version I had, and even in the Ford rentals I’ve driven latel, it was a least a generation ahead. The EcoD motor while not super quick, felt pretty relaxed and like it could do anything you asked of it. According to the display (if I could believe it) I was getting over 30 mpg on the highway and about 27 mpg overall in my test drive. Pretty impressive for sure. Seats were great, ride was almost car comfortable and only thing I didn’t was during my night test drive the lights were pretty anemic.

    Finally the one I was waiting for (actually 2). The Ford F150 2.7L & 3.5L Ecoboosts. OMG I was so disappointed after driving the Ram. I was pretty much sold on buying a Ford. The only thing I can say is both the Ecoboosts were quicker than the Ram EcoD but ONLY when you definitely had your foot in it. Steering was vague and felt totally detached. I appreciate what Ford did in reducing mass in the truck but after driving these 2 I had to go back to the Ram again for another test drive.

    After the dust settled from another drive, the Ram was setting in my driveway. I wasn’t worried about bragging rights the quickest 1/4 mile or 0-60 times. I wanted the best all around daily driver and tow vehicle. Now several months into my ownership I couldn’t be more pleased. The 8spd transmission means it always seems like you have the gear you need. While Ford is coming out with a 10 speed, I don’t need really much need for it as the 8 in the Ram seem to work great. Theoretically 10 could be better I don’t think it will make that much of a difference but it will be better than the 6 speed they have and currently in my other Ford.

    The headlights (projector) still are anemic but I’ll swap out HIDs for the low beams to help with that. My best tank so far has been 33 mpg (all highway 65 mph or so). My best mixed hwy/city (60/40 split) has been 29. This is for a top of the line Limited Crew Cab which pretty much had ever option so it it is a bit on the porky side. Even towing a 6k pound load it has performed quite well. I had debated about the air suspension but definitely works great. They way it can kneel down so older people can get in is far more useful than I imagined.

    The entire family loves the truck and it has exceeded my expectations in almost every way. Kudos to Dodge.

  • alex

    i just blew my turbos in my 2013 ecoboost 3.5 towing only 4,000 pounds. $5K fix, which i won’t be doing. mechanic said it’s starting to happen in more ecoboost trucks when towing, because the turbos can’t handle the compression and the seals burst. i was only at 67K miles. ford may know turbos, but not as they relate to towing (mechanic’s words, not mine).

  • Dan

    Truth hits–Alex–thanks

  • Dan Berry

    Foreign junk class tundra??? So send $50-60 g’s to a foreign country–this is why Can. & US are in bad financial shape–will ANYONE that buys foreign autos EVER learn???????????